Re: ebXML list of participants

[Ed Manley <edmanley@bellsouth.net>]

I feel I must reply on this issue. I am a lurker. In my current role as a
Senior Business Analyst at CommerceQuest and as a career consultant Business
Analyst and Technical Writer my livelihood depends on staying current in all
areas of technology that pertain to software development and business
process. I will never again code, gave that up twenty plus years ago, so I
don't need to know enough ebXML to develop systems, but I will always work
directly with developers and business environments that do. I can hardly
write requirements documents for ebXML systems if I don't know anything
about ebXML. I certainly can't design and document business processes and
transactions if I don't understand the underlying technology. Therefore it
is critical that I belong to bodies such as this, that I learn as much as
possible from whomever is possible; ergo, Thank You, I greatly appreciate
being permitted to "lurk" here.
Beyond that, I have to constantly sell myself. If I state to a prospective
employer that I am a member of this listserv, and that I use it as a
continuing education tool so that I can competently work with ebXML
implementation, then they must be able to verify that. If you dismiss me as
a lurker from your published membership list you do me a great disfavor. As
a member of STC and IEEE I am listed and recognized, yet no more a direct
contributor there than here.
I submit that by lurking here, learning ebXML and promoting its use, and
working with ebXML as it gains industry acceptance, I am in fact a
contributor to the cause and not a lurker at all.
Finally, I have twice offered my services as editor and technical writer to
help develop and maintain documentation created by this body, and have had
no response. I will be an active member and contributor to the cause should
anyone take me up on my offer.
All that being said, I reiterate my plea that those of us who enroll and
lurk be publicly listed as participants.
Thank you,
Ed Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>
To: Martin W Sachs <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>
Cc: <ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org>; <ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: 2001. January 18. 14:24
Subject: RE: ebXML list of participants


> Well,it's not an amalgamation of listserv lists, which only have email
> addresses; it's the name and company name (but not email address) of each
> person who is subscribed. We get this from the innformation submitted on
the
> subscription form. We're building some functionality at OASIS that could,
> incidentally, be used to manage this, but this won't be done for a while.
>
> I'm just wondering about the usefulness of this information on the web
site.
> If it's useful we'll devote the labour to make it work; I just want to
make
> sure that we should.
>
> </karl>
> ============================================================
> Karl F. Best
> OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> 978.667.5115 x206
> karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:44 PM
> > To: Karl Best
> > Cc: ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org; Karl
> > Subject: Re: ebXML list of participants
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl,
> >
> > First of all, if your list of participants is an amalgamation of all the
> > listserver subscriber lists, and you are doing it by hand, I support not
> > doing it by hand. Isn't there a tool that can simply produce a
> > composite of
> > all the listserver subscriber lists?
> >
> > As to who is really a participant, that's a potential nest of
> > rattlesnakes.
> > I doubt that there is an answer.  A composite list of all ebXML meeting
> > attendees would include a lot of lurkers and miss people who are active
on
> > email but can't get to meetings.
> > A composite of the participant lists from the individual specifications
> > would miss people because the teams aren't necessarily keeping them up
to
> > date and some team leads (like me) haven't built the list yet.
> >
> > I suggest:
> >
> >    Automate the composite list of the listserver subscribers if this
> >    composite list is needed.
> >
> >    Build a composite meeting attendee list, labelled as such, if it is
> >    needed.
> >
> >    Otherwise "don't go there".
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marty
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *******************
> >
> > Martin W. Sachs
> > IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
> > P. O. B. 704
> > Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
> > 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> > Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> > Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
> > ******************************************************************
> > *******************
> >
> >
> >
> > Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> on 01/18/2001 02:17:13 PM
> >
> > To:   ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org, ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org
> > cc:   Karl <karl.best@oasis-open.org>
> > Subject:  ebXML list of participants
> >
> >
> >
> > OASIS IT staff has been maintaining the ebXML list of participants
> > (http://www.ebxml.org/participants/participants.htm) by hand, and adding
> > new
> > names every few weeks. This isn't really a list of people who
participate,
> > but rather a list of people who subscribe to any the ebXML lists,
whether
> > they particpate or not. (Given the numbers, it's actually a list of
> > lurkers:
> > there's ~2000 people on the list, but probably only a couple hundred of
> > those really participate.)
> >
> > My question is whether we should make the effort to continue to keep
this
> > list current. Over 900 people have subscribed to the mail lists
> > in the past
> > five weeks! Do we want those 900 people added (by hand) to the
> > participants
> > list? I think anyone who is truly participating has been doing so
> > for quite
> > some time, so the people subscribing now are just lurking.
> >
> > So, we can either 1) continue to manually add new people to the list as
> > they
> > subscribe, 2) stop adding people and just leave it where it's at today,
or
> > 3) actually come up with a list of participants (defined as what?) and
> > publish that list on the web page.
> >
> > Feedback, please.
> >
> > </karl>
> > ============================================================
> > Karl F. Best
> > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > 978.667.5115 x206
> > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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