Fw: Vienna PoC

["Marcia L. McLure Ph.D." <marcia.mclure@mmiec.com>]

Hope this gets through for you Stefano.
Marcia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefano POGLIANI" <stefano.pogliani@sun.com>
To: <Brian.Hayes@Commerceone.com>; <marcia.mclure@mmiec.com>;
<plevine@telcordia.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:10 AM
Subject: FW: Vienna PoC


> Sorry to bother with this direct mail. I cannot submit to the cc-bp
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> Thanks a lot indeed. Best regards
>
> /stefano pogliani
>
> » -----Original Message-----
> » From: Stefano POGLIANI [mailto:stefano.pogliani@sun.com]
> » Sent: 28 March 2001 15:38
> » To: ebxml-ccbp-analysis@lists.ebxml.org
> » Subject: RE: Vienna PoC
> »
> »
> » Hi all,
> »
> » sorry if I jump in this discussion.
> » Having read the attached, I think that there is one point on
> » which I have some trouble understanding.
> » At the end of the message it is mentioned that :
> »
> » »
> » » Possible Bonus:
> » » 5. Have a central Business Process Manager (unfortunately out
> » » of scope for ebXML), monitor the transactions against the agreed
> » » upon CPA and business processes.
> »
> »
> » Well, I do not think that a "central" BPM is actually in the spirit of
> » ebXML. The "runtime software" is modelled around the CPA and enforces
> » the choreography and the technical infrastructure that the CPA
> » provides. For this reason, this software cannot be "centralized" but
> » needs to be installed at both parties.
> » Using a centralized engine (like BizTalk Server or Forte Fusion)
> » the result is that the Business Process is managed by one partner
> » (master) and passively-executed by the other (slave). No one garantees
> » that the BP is not actually changed by the master nor there are means
> » for the slave to control the status of the long running conversation.
> »
> » The ebXML runtime should, IMHO, be installed on both sides; this runtime

> » actually enforces the CPA on both sides and is in charge of the
> » execution of the choreography "as seen by one role". When the two
> » partners actually work together, the two runtimes TOGETHER build a
> » LOGICAL BPM.
> »
> » Best regards
> » /stefano
> »
> »
> » »
> » » -----Original Message-----
> » » From: Hayes, Brian
> » » Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:05 AM
> » » To: Paul R. Levine; Marcia McLure (E-mail); Bob Glushko (E-mail)
> » » Subject: Vienna PoC
> » »
> » »
> » » At XML One London, I talked to Dimitri Cherkassky (Commerce
> » One) about the
> » » Vienna PoC.  It seems that the PoC team may be on board with an
> » end-to-end
> » » PoC that includes BP concepts.  He mentioned that the PoC team is
being
> » » chaired or co-chaired by Sid (?) from Netfish (this is
> » important since we
> » » would probably like to use the Netfish BP Editor).
> » »
> » » Providing my management will let me (which may involve changing
> » » managers to
> » » do this :^), I would be interested in helping coordinate.  I would
think
> » » that it would be important to Commerce One to be involved in
> » the BP aspect
> » » of the PoC along with the transport aspect (with the
> » involvement Dimitri).
> » » After all, interoperability occurs at many levels!
> » »
> » » The PoC aspects that I story-boarded with Dimitri goes like this:
> » » 1. Two organizations (okay, two people) on seperate laptops
> » » create business
> » » process specifications and document specifications.  One team
> » » uses the forms
> » » based BP Editor from Netfish and the other uses a UML tool from
> » » MEGA.  These
> » » tools tie into (or have the appearance of) a central registry
> » containing a
> » » Busienss Library (of reusable business processes, busienss information
> » » objects, and the Core Library) and a Trading Partner Registry (of
CPPs).
> » » 2. Next is the trading partner discovery phase where two
> » companies review
> » » each other's CPPs in the Trading Partner Registry.
> » » 3. Next is CPA negotiation phase using the Negotiation pattern from
the
> » » E-Commerce and Simple Negotiation Patterns document
> » » 4. Next is do business -- exchange documents -- what ever that might
be.
> » »
> » » Possible Bonus:
> » » 5. Have a central Business Process Manager (unfortunately out
> » of scope for
> » » ebXML), monitor the transactions against the agreed upon CPA
> » and business
> » » processes.
> » »
> » » Cheers,
> » » Brian
> » » ---
> » »
> » » 19 March Meeting notes:
> » » Paul Levine mentioned an email message from the PoC PT requesting BP
> » » support for the Vienna PoC.  The following questions were asked:
> » » · What would be the best way to proceed?
> » » · How close are the specifications to completion?
> » » · Provide a picture of what would be useful to show at a PoC demo
> » » that would help participating organizations estimate their
involvement.
> » » · Who is available to help coordinate BP's involvement with the PoC
> » » PT?
> » » It was agreed that the Vienna PoC should demonstrate end-to-end
> » » ebXML functionality, utilizing all of the technical specifications,
> » » especially relevant BP and CC specs.  Material has been
> » » previously prepared
> » » and submitted to the PoC PT, but was not used.  We need to discuss
what
> » » further work is needed to put a payload in place in the Vienna PoC.
> » »
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