Re: Tags and semantics ( was Dotted Names)

[Philip Goatly <philip.goatly@bolero.net>]

Bob,

 Thamks for the lucid explanation.

Cheers, Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Haugen" <linkage@interaccess.com>
To: <ebxml-core@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Tags and semantics ( was Dotted Names)


>
> Philip Goatly:
> >   What I would regard as a business transaction involves the following:
> >   1.  Seller
> >   2.  Buyer
> >   3. Something Sold ( lets call it Goods/Services)
> >   4. Payment
>
> >When the Seller owns the payment and the Buyer owns the Goods/Services
then
> >the 'Transaction' is complete. From a physical and legal point of view.
>
> I agree, and so does the Open-EDI model, but ebXML BP has chosen
> to use the name "Business Transaction" to designate what UN/CEFACT
> UMM used to call "commercial transaction", which is pretty much
> the same as the RosettaNet transaction model:  an atomic of unit
> of work in a B2B-ecommerce context, basically a request-response
> interaction with some accompanying rules for lower-level business
> signals, timeouts, etc. so the buyer and seller can be reasonably
> sure that they have a legally binding agreement.
>
> The name was not my choice, however, that is what ebXML BP means
> by "Business Transaction" when capitalized.  The whole business
> transaction from your point of view (and  mine) might be modeled
> as a Business Collaboration in ebXML, which is a group of
> Business Transactions.
>
> >So I don't believe that International trade can be modelled as a series
of
> >accounting entries and I am not sure how one would identify the
individual
> >'business transactions' as defined by ebXML.
>
> It's not difficult to identify the ebXML Business Transactions.
> Basically, each of the business documents sent between the
> parties to the larger Business Collaboration would be
> sent inside a Business Transaction, either as a Requesting
> or Responding document.
>
> The point is not that everything is an accounting entry.
> Some transactions result in legal commitments or legal
> or accounting events (changes of ownership).  Some don't.
> Business people and systems need to know the difference.
>
> >Is it not fair to say that the whole 'trade chain' constitues the
> >Transaction which may be broken  down into a number of business
activities ?
>
> Depends on the definition of "transaction": in ebXML-BP, the
> whole trade chain might be modeled as a Business Collaboration,
> and each activity would be a Business Transaction.
>
> I am not trying to convince you of the correctness of the names,
> only to explain as best I can what ebXML-BP means by them.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Haugen
>
>
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