Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

[Pae Choi <paechoi@earthlink.net>]

+1 except that the judgement of being wrong or right. I as one
individual think that everything has both negative and positive
perspectives at the same time.

Cheers,


Pae


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lund, Brad" <brad.lund@intel.com>
To: "'Fraser Goffin'" <goffinf@hotmail.com>; <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !


> I am not sure where you are getting this from.  I know for a fact that IBM
> has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification
> development teams.  As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have heard
> what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to
substantiate
> this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly came
> out of Microsoft.  Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people
> developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel,
> SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc.  ebXML has
> wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the Messaging
> specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA
> specification to follow shortly.
>
> So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!!  and you
> really should try to use a different approach!
>
> bl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
>
>
> Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael Rawlins
> set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what has
> come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am
> naturally somewhat concerned.
>
> Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ?
>
> My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of course
we
>
> want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable market
> presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I read
> that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) ebXML.
> Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like many
> others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and their
> opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be
> significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of senior
> management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers
/user
>
> organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons arguments
and
>
> can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various
> quarters.
>
> In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ?
>
> Maybe I read too much :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Fraser.
>
>
>
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