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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML MS v1.0 schema


Thanks for the consideration, however the v2.x of the messageHeader specs
are of no use to the 25 or so actual implementations of toolkits on the v1.0
spec; or for B2B communities trying to use those tools to build real
systems. All of these groups are making their own ad-hoc decisions on what
the schema should actually be. This situation is a DISASTER.

I am aware how open standards are developed - the problem here is that the
people who are actually doing the work - and getting paid for it - are
completely letting down those paying the bills. The worst part is that I
suspect the people you refer to - who are footing the bill - don't know that
the real deliverables are not there.

Neil Belford
B2B Architect
FRC Project, VENCorp

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Welsh [mailto:dave@collaborativedomain.com]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:30 AM
To: Belford Neil
Cc: Ebxml-Dev (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML MS v1.0 schema

Have you looked at
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/#documents for the latest
(version 2.0 I think) of the ebXML messaging specs ?

ps. ebXML are "open standards" developed with the kind / free contribution
from companies, industry associations and government institutions from
around the world. Thanks and all the best.

----- Original Message -----
From: Belford Neil <Neil.Belford@vencorp.vic.gov.au>
To: Ebxml-Dev (E-mail) <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML MS v1.0 schema

> It is a disgrace and a total abdication of responsibility that those
> provided with the resources to develop and maintain ebXML have left the
> 1.0 'messageHeader.xsd' schema hanging. I hope you guys who are getting
> to do this work are enjoying your sinecure while you swan around to
> conferences.
> To facilitate Full Retail Contesability, the Gas Industry in the state of
> Victoria in Australia is deploying a B2B system based on ebXML MS 1.0. The
> payload is an (local industry standard) aseXML document.
> We have a reference 'messageHeader.xsd' that is derived from the flawed
> published in the ebXML MS v1.0 spec, which I will gladly furnish, caveat
> emptor, to anybody who wants it.
> However we feel this is a ridiculous state of affairs. Will someone,
> a tool vendor, or some other organisation who understands the problem
> hang out a reference schema somewhere on the web that we can all use.
> Also can we all please bring some pressure to bear on the people providing
> the funding to ebXML.org to ensure they know that the people charged with
> the responsibility of conveying the technical information are not
> their duties.
> Neil Belford
> B2B Architect
> FRC Project, VENCorp
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