Hi Duane, In reference to your question below: <Quote> Has anyone done some up to date analysis of UBL as ebXML BIE's in conformance with the ebXML Registry teams' request for a core component serialization into XML? </Quote> The UN/CEFACT ATG (Applied Technology Group, for those not familiar with the acronym) has begun an effort to define what I term a "CCTS Instantiation" of Core Components - that is, how Core Components (and their associated entities) are referenced from within an XML instance document. Gunther Stuhec of SAP is leading this effort. The group has a draft document which is going to be worked on at the end of this month in London, prior to XML Europe 2003. In any event, their work is not overlapping with ours in any way. Thanks, Joe Jouko Salonen wrote: > > Duane > The quotes you are using below were written (by me) before ebXML Core Component specification versions 1.85 and 1.9. As Mark's comments indicated, the questions I had at that time were answered in 1.85 versions. > > Regarding your main question: I think Diego Ballve from Republica might be able to explain our experiences. He has been responsible of the registry implementations in our CC/BIE projects. > > --Jouko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@yellowdragonsoft.com] > Sent: 23. huhtikuuta 2003 4:14 > To: Jouko Salonen > Cc: CRAWFORD, Mark; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update > > Has anyone done some up to date analysis of UBL as ebXML BIE's in > conformance with the ebXML Registry teams' request for a core component > serialization into XML? > > Duane Nickull > -- Yellow Dragon Software - http://www.yellowdragonsoft.com Service > Oriented Architecture Components - ebXML, Web Services, SOAP Project > Team lead - United Nations CEFACT eBusiness Architecture +1 (604) > 726-3329 *********************************** > > Jouko Salonen wrote: > > Mark > > You say: > > "UBL is developing a library of BIE's in full conformance with the CC specification." > > Does this mean that there are no differences anymore between UN/CEFACT CoreComponent/BIE naming rules and UBL naming rules? > > If this is so, what actually happened with the CC Feedback that UBL naming rules document was proposing (wd-ublndrsc-ndrdoc-12) > > To continue the discussion, I would like to know what type of practical consequences (if any?) will follow if we ignore the conceptual differences between UN/CEFACT Representation Terms and UBL Core Component Types? I guess there are several on-going registry implementation projects where piloting teams are populating registries with BIEs they construct using a bottom-up method, but, in the same time, they try to follow the core component type catalogue and the CEFACT naming conventions. Do these people have to worry about the situation or not? Maybe this is a minor thing, but I would appreciate if someone from the UBL team could comment it. > > > > Jouko Salonen > > www.x-fetch.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org] > > Sent: 30. lokakuuta 2002 21:23 > > To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org > > Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update > > > > > > Rima Patel wrote: > > > > > >>And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage > >>Core Components? Or let me put it this way, what is the relationship of UBL and > >>Core Components?, > > > > > > Sorry for taking so long to answer your question and I hope you are still looking for the answer. In a nutshell, UBL is developing a library of BIE's in full conformance with the CC specification. That library of BIE's will be submitted to UN/CEFACT for harmonization, approval, and inclusion in the CEFACT CC/BIE registry (when it is stood up). UBL is also developing a set of XML specific naming and design rules that optimize expressions of BIE's in XML expressed business transactions. UBL is currently in discussion with UN/CEFACT on how best to harmonize the efforts of the UBL NDR with those of the UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group. > > > > Mark Crawford > > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead > > LMI W3C, OASIS, and RosettaNet Representative > > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC > > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group > > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components > > ______ > > Logistics Management Institute > > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805 > > (703) 917-7177 Fax (703) 917-7518 > > Wireless (703) 655-4810 > > mcrawford@lmi.org > > http://www.lmi.org > > "Opportunity is what you make of it" > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Rima Patel [mailto:rima.patel@sun.com] > >>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:43 PM > >>To: Tim McGrath > >>Cc: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet); Farrukh Najmi; > >>ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org > >>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update > >> > >> > >> > >>>conforming to the CEFACT Core Component Specifications v1.85. > >> > >>And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage > >>Core Components? Or > >>let me put it this way, what is the relationship of UBL and > >>Core Components? > >> > >>Any response to this question, would be highly appreciated. > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Rima. > >> > >>Tim McGrath wrote: > >> > >> > >>>As Chair of the UBL Library Content subcommittee I guess I > >> > >>can follow up > >> > >>>on Farrukh's response. > >>> > >>>For the past 12 months we have been developing a XML > >> > >>Vocabulary based on > >> > >>>the emerging work of the CEFACT (nee ebXML) Core Components > >> > >>Technical > >> > >>>Specification. We assume that this will provide the most > >> > >>appropriate > >> > >>>ebXML payloads in terms of interoperability (although of course, any > >>>payload can be used within the ebXML infrastructure just as > >> > >>UBL can be > >> > >>>used outside the ebXML infrastructure). > >>> > >>>With respect to where UBL is at today, we have just > >> > >>completed a major > >> > >>>review cycle of our 0.65 release and are working to produce > >> > >>version 0.70 > >> > >>>for review on Dec 2nd. 2002. This includes a suite of document > >>>definitions (XML Schema) for basic procurement functionality (Order, > >>>Order Change, Order Response, Despatch Advice, Receipt Advice and > >>>Invoice), conforming to the CEFACT Core Component > >> > >>Specifications v1.85. > >> > >>> In addition the UBL Library is a library of re-usable > >> > >>types which can > >> > >>>be used to assemble document schemas to suit other contexts of use. > >>> > >>>This will be the first release that we are encouraging > >> > >>commercial users > >> > >>>to use for trial implementations. We would welcome groups > >> > >>like GXS to > >> > >>>participate with us on this. UBL is an open standard under > >> > >>the auspices > >> > >>>of OASIS and as such we rely heavily on practical experience to > >>>strengthen the quality of our work. Please contact me > >> > >>directly or sign > >> > >>>up under our web portal > >> > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ for > >> > >>>more details. > >>> > >>>Farrukh Najmi wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi Kezban, > >>>> > >>>>UBL specification is not yet complete. For an estimate on when TC > >>>>approved specification will be available I will defer to > >>> > >>members of > >> > >>>>the OASIS UBL TC. Once a TC approved spec is available for UBL I > >>>>expect adoption to accelerate. I am not aware of any trading > >>>>community is using UBL for e-commerce yet. > >>>> > >>>>Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Hello Farrukh, > >>>>> > >>>>>Thank you very much for the valuable information, it > >>>> > >>helped me a lot. > >> > >>>>>Another question I have is, would you know if any > >>>> > >>trading community > >> > >>>>>is using UBL for e-commerce yet? > >>>>>Many thanks, > >>>>>Kezban > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:farrukh.najmi@sun.com] > >>>>>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:37 PM > >>>>>To: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) > >>>>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org > >>>>>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Hi Kezban, > >>>>> > >>>>>ebXML is a horizontal standard. While it defines > >>>> > >>building blocks (Core > >> > >>>>>Components) for business documents such as Purchase Orders, it > >>>>>deliberately does not define business document schema. > >>>> > >>It leaves that > >> > >>>>>for vertical standards and other technical committees. > >>>>> > >>>>>UBL [1] is a TC in OASIS that is closely related to > >>>> > >>ebXML and is working > >> > >>>>>on providing such business document schema definitions. > >>>>> > >>>>>[1] UBL http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Regards, > >>>>>Farrukh > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I am looking for ebXML DTDs for Purchase Order, > >>>>>> > >>Invoice and Desadv? > >> > >>>>>>>I would appreciate it if you could help me to find > >>>>>> > >>out as soon as > >> > >>>>>>possible. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Many thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Kezban Musaogullari > >>>>>>____________________________________________ > >>>>>>Tradanet Elektronik Iletisim > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Tel +90 (212) 337 4411 - 4415 > Fax +90 > >>>>> > >>(212) 212 3734 > >> > >>>>>>e-mail: kezban.musaogullari@gxs.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>-- > >>>regards > >>>tim mcgrath > >>>fremantle western australia 6160 > >>>phone: +618 93352228 fax: +618 93352142 > >>> > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > >>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > >>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > >>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > -- > Yellow Dragon Software - http://www.yellowdragonsoft.com > Service Oriented Architecture Components - ebXML, Web Services, SOAP > Project Team lead - United Nations CEFACT eBusiness Architecture > +1 (604) 726-3329 > ***********************************
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