Duane, comments below marked with [JMC]. Duane Nickull wrote: > > They are comparing apples and oranges. EDI is an ASCII format for data, > ebXML is an infrastructure. EDI may be used within the ebXML > infrastructure. [JMC] Yes, but does EDI not include an infrastructure as well, which is - most often - provided by a VAN? Or are you pointing out (very correctly, IMO) that ebXML defines a standard representation of infrastructure while EDI's infrastructure is vendor-variable? > Accordingly, finding that the infrastructure is larger than one of it's > components is understandable and I would agree with the author of this > email. [JMC] Which author? The original author, or me? > Furthermore, it is my belief that any technology needs to be "hidden" > before it will be successful. I did not have to know SMTP in order to > send this email - the clever engineers at Netscape hid all that from me [JMC] Clever? I prefer MS Outlook, although I too am using Netscape. ;) Joe > and presented me only with a "send" button. Same with clicking on a > hyperlink. One does not have to know anything about HTTP. > > Duane Nickull > > Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > >FYI - question about ebXML and EDI on the XML-DEV listserv. Forwarding > >here for opportunities for correction, expression of differing opinion, > >etc. > > > >Original question is at: > > > >http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200407/msg00110.html > > > >Kind Regards, > >Joe Chiusano > >Booz | Allen | Hamilton > >Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > > > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Edi complexity, does ebxml really reduce it? > >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:02:28 -0400 > >From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> > >Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton > >To: Michael Kay <michael.h.kay@ntlworld.com> > >CC: bry@itnisk.com, xml-dev@lists.xml.org > >References: <20040713133910.HWGG8666.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Turtle> > > > >You're right Mike. I'll reproduce the questions below and answer them > >here: > > > > > > > >> Whenever one examines one of the ebxml specs or reads an article on the subject > >> there is likely to be a reference to how edi had problems with being accepted > >>because it was too complex, but luckily ebxml, being based on xml, solves all > >>this > >> > >> > > > >Not completely, but it can make usage of EDI easier (please read on). > > > > > > > >>A very suspect class of assertion it seems like to me. I'm wondering if > >>anyone who has familiarity with these technologies can clarify exactly how and > >>in what ways ebxml reduces the complexity of edi. > >> > >> > > > >In general, ebXML is "payload agnostic" - so the payload can be XML, > >EDI, binary files, etc. So the degree to which it reduces the complexity > >of EDI depends on how much of an improvement the "ebXML approach" and > >tools might be over those for EDI (a subjective judgment, IMO). There is > >also a great lack (IMO) of ebXML tools/products available, and still a > >good amount of EDI tools/products - so that factors in. There is also > >the factor of product price, which would require a detailed comparison > >that I have not done (and I am not aware of anythat exists). > > > > > > > >>Basically my understanding is that ebxml just wrapped the edi model in xml, so I > >>have a hard time seeing how it could be simpler. > >> > >>Also am wondering about CPAs in Ebxml, it strikes me that this process could > >>actually be somewhat onerous, does anyone know of any case studies etc. on > >>problems with making CPAs between two companies? > >> > >> > > > >CPAs in general represent the system features that are agreed upon - > >electronically or non - by two trading partners. CPAs include various > >paramters/settings (pick favorite word) that relate to security, > >messaging, business process specification, etc. Whether the process is > >onerous or not comes down (mostly) to the tools that are available, and > >how easily they automate the process. > > > >Hope that helps. > > > >Kind Regards, > >Joe Chiusano > >Booz | Allen | Hamilton > >Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > > > >Michael Kay wrote: > > > > > >>>These excellent questions are probably best asked on the > >>>ebXML-dev list. > >>> > >>> > >>Only if you want an answer from the kind of person who lives on that list. > >>If you want answers from the people who have given up on ebxml because they > >>found it too complex, asking here might be better. > >> > >>Michael Kay > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Senior Standards Strategist > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://www.adobe.com -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/>
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