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Subject: Re: ebxml challenges...
Jean-Luc Champion wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Not sure US Government is continuing with ANSI-X12.
I am certain that there are US federal agencies that are still using
ANSI-X12 EDI, and will continue to do so for probably a very long time.
> You probably received the mail from Mark Crawford saying :
>
> [... Actually, using 11179 and CCTS will standardize the construct of the
> data element names as well as the metadata. The key is using those two ISO
> standards (yes ccts is ISO 15000-5 (Draft)) in conjunction with a recognized
> international standards body who maintains the vocabulary. UN/CEFACT TBG is
> beginning to build that vocabulary, and many standards bodies - including
> UBL - have committed to submitting their 11179/CCTS vocabularies to help
> that effort. I should also mention that many agencies in the US Government,
> as well as other governments have already committed to using this new
> approach. ]
>
> The last sentence shows clearely the US Gov commitement to go with
> ebXML/CCTS, being ISO 15000-5 TS very soon.
Please note that there is no such thing as a "US Gov commitment" to
ebXML/CCTS - such a commitment would have to be in the form of a mandate
or law. When people speak in terms of this, they are referring to the
fact that there are *some* US federal agencies that are utilizing ebXML,
and there are *some* US federal agencies that are also utilizing the
Core Components data modeling methodology on projects. What I want to
emphasize is that this should not be taken to mean that there is an
adoption of either/both of these on what most/all people would, in
general, consider to be a "grand scale".
Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> Kind regards,
> Jean-Luc Champion
> UN/CEFACT Forum TBG1 Chair
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Stephen GOULD [mailto:sggould@oic.org]
> Envoyé : vendredi 16 juillet 2004 11:59
> À : ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Cc : OIC Management Committee
> Objet : Re: ebxml challenges...
>
> David - you are right. Only Telecos, Banks and ISPs make money out of
> e-Commerce. IT professionals cannot earn a living out of e-commerce until
> we change the rules whereby people are paid for contributing and
> participating.
>
> This need for this change has been made in a submission to the Australian
> Government re the Aus-USA-Free Trade Agreement
> http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs/ZXAAECS1.htm
>
> The full details of the submissions by the OIC XML & E-commerce Special
> Interest Group [XZIG] to the Senate Inquiry on the FTA can be reviewed on
> http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs
>
> XZIG is concerned that as the US Government uses ANSI-X12 and Australia has
> a treaty obligation to use ISO Standards (EDIFACT) there is:
>
> 1 going to be an enormous invisible ISP translation cost for SMEs
>
> 2 time and date conflicts with the many varieties of ISO 8601
>
> 3 concerns ebXML has not provided a solution for a simple
> company name and address format that can be used by all
> applications
>
> This is why in 2002 XZIG members developed an XML Standard Government Tender
> template because there are 8 different tender formats with Australian State
> Government http://www.smeems.net/cpr/be/3she/a2eaesp4.htm
>
> This was submitted to ebXML Australia in 2002 but as far as we know it was
> not forwarded to the appropriate group for consideration
>
> Government tenders are the first step of the Government e-business process
> hence the need for a standard that all Government tenders use
> http://www.oic.org/guest.htm
>
> NEXT STEPS
>
> I would appreciate any feed-back on:
>
> 1 is an e-credits system acceptable as part of e-commerce contracts
>
> 2 how many US Government States use ANSI-X12
>
> 3 any people prepared to work on implementing a standard ebXML
> e-tender system as part of the Aus-USA-FTA
>
> If you would like to work on projects or any other Australian
> projects you are required to be a member of the Open Interchange
> Consortium
> http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm
>
> regards
>
> Stephen GOULD
> Chair - Management Committee
> XML & E-COMMERCE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP
> OPEN INTERCHANGE CONSORTIUM
>
> E: sggould@oic.org
> M: 0416-009-468
> T: {61}(2) 9953-7412
> W: http://www.oic.org/3a4a.htm
>
> On 15 Jul 04, at 9:53, davidlyon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for replying to my earlier questions. It's making much more sense
> now.
> >
> > My humble opinion is that there needs to be some better ways of making
> > money with ebxml than there is today.
> >
> > For example, with open source linux, I can build a file server based
> > on linux and then supply it to my customers and get paid. Do some
> > modifications and get paid for those. I make money the whole way along
> with linux.
> >
> > With ebxml there is no way to do the same thing; for a developer or
> > for a consultant; whatever. That's the problem.
> >
> > Yes there are some free poducts, like the sun registry and others, but
> > they are not really in a "saleable" form that I can give customers.
> >
> > There is also no central ebxml registry yet, for registering
> > companies. Even if it was $10, it would give something to sell which
> > would then help the world go round.
> >
> > Such a registry if it did exist, would need a code of conduct, so if
> > one company sold an ebxml, all the other companies wouldn't just come
> > along and take the customer. These are real issues for anybody trying to
> sell ebxml software.
> > Interoperability can be a two edge sword.
> >
> > There is also a severe lack of programming components.
> >
> > Why does one have to have a whole ebxml stack? why are there no ebxml
> > activeX components that can be thrown onto a VB or Delphi App?
> >
> > I understand that ebxml might have started as a grand plan for
> > everything, but it only needs to suffice as an electronic commerce
> > framework where IT professionals accross the world can make some money.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>:
> >
> > > Jean-Jacques Dubray wrote:
> > >
> > > >Did you mean GSA or GXA? How do we know that any given stack is
> > > >"complete", what is the criteria to leave something out?
> > > >
> > > >JJ-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > mm1: Joe, what is the GXA umbrella anyway?
> > >
> > >
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Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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