Re: SV: [ebxml-dev] SV: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Re: [ ubl-dev] Q: What mime type for UBL/ebxml with smtp ?

[david.lyon@computergrid.net]

ok, no problems. I accept your answer.

but I don't know that many SMEs that would have the dept of knowledge of mime
types that you do. 

they would just double click on the attachment and expect it to load. If it
didn't work, they'd normally say 'what do I download to make it work?' and off
they would go.

for now though, I'm just trying to put together some test data with some
documents and acknowledgements.

No need to look anything up. I think Stephen had the technically correct answer
with text/xml. That is workable for what I need at the moment.

Best Regards

David

Quoting Bryan Rasmussen <brs@itst.dk>:

> Well I agree with Joe that that is way to high level right there,
> 
> I could accept an ebxml mime type but mainly for the need to specify that
> the ebxml is exhanging legacy edi etc. 
> 
> Actually the UBL etc is an example of the brokenness of mime types where xml
> is concerned,
> the problem is that mime types suppose a world of one to one relations
> between content and handling application, xml+namespaces supposes one to
> many relation between content and purpose (the purpose being implemented in
> a handling application) let us suppose an xml instance that is a UBL
> document with RDF content in there extending it, what is it? 
> It can be consumed by an xml application on the client, it can be consumed
> by an UBL application, it can be consumed by an RDF application. One of the
> things I implemented for a very large media management project I did last
> year was a dynamic mime type setter that would analyze an xml document, and
> a requesting client to figure out what was the most likely mime type to
> return, with the possibility of course of doing further requests so that a
> client could say, no that didn't work out for me, what else can you send it
> as...
> 
> Personally I would like to see some systematic rule for that kind of
> transaction. 
> 
> Of course other people may not agree with me on that matter, but that is my
> opinion. 
> 
> hmm, I need to go look at xri again, I can't remember if they have an answer
> to that problem. 
> http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2004-01-19-a.html
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: david.lyon@computergrid.net [mailto:david.lyon@computergrid.net]
> Sendt: 12. august 2004 16:11
> Til: Bryan Rasmussen
> Cc: 'Chiusano Joseph'; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Emne: Re: [ebxml-dev] SV: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Re:
> [ubl-dev] Q: What mime type for UBL/ebxml with smtp ?
> 
> 
> Bryan,
> 
> I was thinking more of:
> 
>     UBL/Order
>     UBL/OrderChange
>     UBL/OrderResponse
>     UBL/OrderCancellation
>     UBL/DespatchAdvice
>     UBL/ReceiptAdvice
>     UBL/Invoice
> or
>     ebXML/Order
>     ebXML/OrderChange
>     ebXML/OrderResponse
>     ebXML/OrderCancellation
>     ebXML/DespatchAdvice
>     ebXML/ReceiptAdvice
>     ebXML/Invoice
> 
> Quoting Bryan Rasmussen <brs@itst.dk>:
> 
> > so would that be 
> > transation/ebxml+xml 
> > 
> > ugh awful, mime types are underspecified. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > Sendt: 12. august 2004 15:47
> > Til: david.lyon@computergrid.net
> > Cc: stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk; ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org;
> > ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > Emne: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Q: What mime
> > type for UBL/ebxml with smtp ?
> > 
> > 
> > david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > ok - fair enough for text/xml. I'm just canvassing thoughts, just as you
> > are. I
> > > can see the logic behind your reasoning.
> > > 
> > > But I think there's also a case for something more specific like
> > ebxml/Order as
> > > every ebxml/Order would be xml by definition anyway without exception.
> > 
> > Not at all - the example above is way too high-level for what the MIME
> > types are intended for. You're speaking of something more akin to
> > "transaction application types" (I just made up this name on the fly),
> > or the like.
> > 
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joe Chiusano
> > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> > 
> >  
> > > IE seems to pick up any text/xml document by default on most systems.
> But
> > I
> > > would suggest that it doesn't have anything in it to be able to do
> > anything
> > > with the document other than change the colors and fonts of the letters.
> > > 
> > > This isn't really the "correct" handling of a UBL/Invoice and far from
> the
> > > requirements of any business that I have seen.
> > > 
> > > What needs to happen with a UBL invoice in most places is that it needs
> to
> > be
> > > formatted properly, validated,  and interpreted in context with all the
> > other
> > > UBL/Invoices from the Selling Party. A bit more than what IE or any
> other
> > > Browser can currently offer.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, these are just my personal opinions. Obviously in my test
> programs
> > I'll
> > > make sure that I provide support for text/xml and many thanks for
> pointing
> > it
> > > out. I still think ebxml/Order or UBL/Invoice scheme would be
> better.....
> > > 
> > > anyway.. best regards
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > Quoting stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > I should think there would be a general feeling against
> > > > any mime type other than text/xml
> > > >
> > > > I wonder how XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 might help here with e-mails
> > > > (might support for non-xml text allow pulling in of
> documents/fragments
> > > > from emails in a folder - for Java type e-mails,etc - where these are
> > > >  just held as text files in a folder? - not much help perhaps if the
> > > > messages are held in a database such as a .dbx file perhaps)
> > > >
> > > > As for OrderResponse I'd say (XPath)
> > > > /Order/AcknowledgementResponseCode
> > > > is what you want (valid values are 'OrderResponse' and
> > > > 'OrderResponseSimple')
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Green
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote on 12.08.2004, 05:01:26:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody,
> > > > >
> > > > > I know the answer is probably rtfm/stupid but I thought I'd just
> check
> > with
> > > > any
> > > > > experts first as they might know an answer off the top of their
> heads.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just trying to put together some ubl test data and I want to pull in
> > UBL
> > > > > acknowledgements with a mail utility from a pop mailbox. no probs in
> > > > that..
> > > > >
> > > > > but is there a mime type for UBL yet?
> > > > >
> > > > > or is the best way just to stick all the acknowledgment documents in
> a
> > > > directory
> > > > > with some kind of xpath and go from there?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then, anybody know how to quickly determine the document type for an
> > > > > acknowledgement? say an OrderResponse.
> > > > >
> > > > > My preference for an answer would be XPath/Perl, but any other
> > language
> > > > would
> > > > > probably do.
> > > > >
> > > > > only about 113,000 unique xpath elements to deal with; so little
> time
> > to
> > > > > test them all
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > 
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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