RE: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products

["David RR Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>]

Pim,

Good points - agreed - yes - people are adapting tools like Hermes/Jentrata to do what they need.

Better when the standard supports it - then everyone's systems in sync - but of course smaller communities in the meantime can position share tools - and then migrate to better position when available in mainstream.

"Pull" - OK yes this is pseudo pull - I send a message to the ebMS - of type release queue - and it will then send me the messages it has stacked in its send queue waiting for me.  But wait that's how 'pull' works anyway - as you say ebMS3 has this - so you don't have to roll your own (even though its easy to do of course).

; -)

David

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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products
From: "Pim van der Eijk" <lists@sonnenglanz.net>
Date: Tue, September 11, 2012 11:15 am
To: <david@drrw.info>, <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>

"Pull" with ebMS 2.0 would seem to be a proprietary extension to or deviation from the ebMS 2.0 standard,  please explain how a conformant product would do this ...

 

Compression based on attaching ZIP binaries:   yes you can do compression outside the MSH without using a standard protocol.   And while you're at it, you can also do signing, encryption, retries, duplicate elimination, packaging outside the MSH without using a standard protocol.  People do it all the time,  and they're all doing it in a different way ...

 

Cheers,

 

Pim

 

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From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: 11 September 2012 16:59
To: Pim van der Eijk; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products

Pim,

So - ebMS2 with ZIP binary attachment another option for compression - while I believe you can setup the ebMS2 to respond to message request - to emulate a "pull" style delivery.  Not quite as clean obviously but at least gets you up and running while you await the native ebMS3 versions...

Actually I believe there are many people already using these techniques with ebMS2 out there.

David

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products
From: "Pim van der Eijk" <lists@sonnenglanz.net>
Date: Tue, September 11, 2012 2:57 am
To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>

David,

 

The ebMS3 "Pull" and AS4 payload compression features are allow organizations to efficiently send large payloads to partners that use client-only endpoints.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Pim

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From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: 16 August 2012 16:20
To: Pim van der Eijk; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products

Pim,

I assume he is wanting specific capabilities that only ebXML 3 supports?  Would be good to identify requirements - because obviously there are a whole range of ebXML 2 solutions that will work fine - and also may already have some of what he is wanting.

David

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ebxml-dev] FYI: users looking for ebMS3 / AS4 products
From: "Pim van der Eijk" <lists@sonnenglanz.net>
Date: Thu, August 16, 2012 5:10 am
To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>

 

Suppliers of ebMS3 / AS4 products,  see discussion at:

 

http://ebxml.xml.org/blog/ebxml-3-and-as4-products-and-training