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Subject: Removals from ebXML List
Why do these people write me to get removed from ebXML? And how did they get on in the first place? Were they surprised that ebXML would be discussed? What is the purpose of the ebXML list (as opposed to the Team Lists) - was it just meant for public announcements that were vetted by the ebXML Steering and Executive Committees? I assumed the ebXML list was a general list for ebXML stuff which couldn't be placed in the various team categories, or overlapped functional areas (such as announcements of technical specs). And I also thought that anyone who was signed up for any of the team lists would be on the general ebXML list (this still isn't correctly happening - some of the active awareness folks aren't on the list, though they may have signed up manually using the majordomo when the web forms didn't work). With so many people obviously finding discussions of architecture, frameworks and message structure and content, or general ebXML administration offensive, I think it's about time somebody said just what these listservers were intended for, and who should be on them. If we need a listserver for "push" announcements which have been vetted (such as press releases and meeting announcements), and intended for a general audience (who may otherwise be uninterested in ebXML minutia), then one should be set up that only a few select people (Carol Geyer?) can post to. I was never invited onto the Stc or Exec lists, but I managed to subscribe. Are these meant to be private, or at least vetted? (though I assume, even if vetted, that I would be allowed on because I now have the moniker "Crusher"). Keep in mind that the Stc and Exec archives are publicly accessible (as I think they should be in a public standards org). William J. Kammerer FORESIGHT Corp. 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy. Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305 (614) 791-1600 Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/ "Commerce for a New World"
- From: "Michel LESOURD" <mlesourd@wanadoo.fr>
- To: "William J. Kammerer" <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com>
- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:52:02 +0200
Remove Michel LESOURD Directeur des Etudes informatiques pour la profession comptable "Risk-adverse is the greatest of all possible risks" (Howard Paul, Standards Australia Publishing) *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ----- Message d'origine ----- De : William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com> À : ebXML List <ebXML@lists.oasis-open.org> Envoyé : vendredi 2 juin 2000 20:50 Objet : Re: XML Gave A War, But Nobody Came, OR Lisa's vision thing > Lisa M. Shreve, Project Team Leader for CC, shared her vision with > Robert Dakin re: frameworks and message structure and content. This was > greatly appreciated by me. But then she adds "So, I'd like to propose > that we call an end to this theoretical discussion, until technical > research tells us how we put the pieces together to solve this > problem...I propose that this discussion be taken over by marketing, and > moved to the marketing and awareness project team." > > Dear Lisa: > > I like to read the theoretical discussions, and appreciate Dakin's > comments. There might be hidden nuggets there that CC, or more likely, > Architecture, can take advantage of. Please don't discourage polite and > technical discussion of actual ebXML stuff - it sure beats reading all > the impotent 'removes'! > > Maybe the discussion could be moved to Architecture, where it seems to > belong, rather than the general ebXML discussion list...but it certainly > shouldn't be killed. And, for sure, it doesn't belong in Marketing and > Awareness. > > William J. Kammerer > FORESIGHT Corp. > 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy. > Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305 > (614) 791-1600 > > Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/ > "Commerce for a New World" > > > > > =========================================================================== > This is ebXML, the general mailing list for the ebXML committee > The owner of this list is owner-ebxml@oasis-open.org > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.oasis-open.org with the > following in the body of the message: > unsubscribe ebxml > If you are subscribed using a different email address, put the address you > subscribed with at the end of the line; e.g. > unsubscribe ebxml myname@company.com > ===========================================================================
- From: "Michel LESOURD" <mlesourd@wanadoo.fr>
- To: "William J. Kammerer" <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com>
- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:52:48 +0200
Remove Michel LESOURD Directeur des Etudes informatiques pour la profession comptable "Risk-adverse is the greatest of all possible risks" (Howard Paul, Standards Australia Publishing) *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ----- Message d'origine ----- De : William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com> À : ebXML List <ebXML@lists.oasis-open.org> Envoyé : vendredi 2 juin 2000 23:48 Objet : Re: List Administration ... > Bill Mattox, of Viacore, said "...one gentleman at the recent meeting in > Brussels referred to [the number of messages being pumped out by the > listserver] as bordering on SPAM, and particularly problematic for those > who travel a great deal and therefore forced to use slow links... > especially when the mail includes attachments." > > I may have been the most vocal criticizing the habit of posting again > and again the same attachments. But my good friends in BP have now > figured out how to get their documents uploaded to the server so the > rest of us can choose, or choose not, to download them at our leisure. > > Bill further muses "has anyone considered replacing this with a > discussion server? That would not only provide a message tree structure > for reconstructing the history of a particular thread, but would be a > pull, as opposed to a push method, of communication, which would be far > more practical insofar as it would allow the end user to control the > message bandwidth." > > I don't think there's any need for OASIS to spend time and money on > exotic Web technology when e-mail and the listserver works fine as they > are, assuming 1) cross-posting is kept to a minimum, 2) listserve > junkies don't sign up (those who sign up for each and every list they > hear of, from Basque separatism to recovering Catholics, and then > complain loudly on the listserve that they want to get off), 3) > appropriate subject headings are chosen, 4) people don't keep the full > text of each and every message in the thread at the bottom of their own > message - summarize instead (if it's not worth summarizing the messages > being responded to, then it's probably not worth responding), and > finally - the most important - 5) big files are not attached, but rather > placed in the working pages of the relevant teams. > > For those who don't want to get e-mail on ebXML throughout the day, they > may choose a digest mode subscription (if available). Or better yet, > they can remove themselves from the lists and simply review the archives > on a periodic basis. OASIS needs to clean up their archives act, but in > general the archives are available at http://www.xml.org/archives/. The > links are incorrect - for example, if you select EBXML-TRANSPORT, you'll > get "The page cannot be found." But all you have to do is go to the > browser address line and remove trailing "maillist.html". From there, > you'll be able to review the cumulative monthly archives, or look at the > hMonArc HTML archives organized by year and month. > > William J. Kammerer > FORESIGHT Corp. > 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy. > Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305 > (614) 791-1600 > > Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/ > "Commerce for a New World" > > > > ======================================================================= > = This is ebXML, the general mailing list for the ebXML committee = > = The owner of this list is owner-ebxml@oasis-open.org = > = = > = To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@lists.oasis-open.org with = > = the following in the body of the message: = > = unsubscribe ebxml = > = If you are subscribed using a different email address, put the = > = address you subscribed with at the end of the line; e.g. = > = unsubscribe ebxml myname@company.com = > =======================================================================
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