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Subject: [ebxml-mktg] Re: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas should be renamed"ebXML Schemas"
+1. Alan is right. ebxML does not pre-direct people to use one set of semantics. ebXML is a dynamic cross-walk mechanism that allows many semantics to be used in an interoperable manner. UBL is the best XML work I have ever seen with respect to schemas for business. I am a big fan of UBL. Duane Alan Kotok wrote: > David, et al. > > Since ebXML is being implemented in many different ways and under many > different business circumstances, I would suggest that UBL stay named as > UBL and that the name ebXML Schemas NOT be used. Otherwise you give the > impression that UBL is the only way to implement the semantics in ebXML, > which is hardly the case. Best regards. > > Alan Kotok > Editor, < E-Business*Standards*Today /> > http://www.disa.org/dailywire/ > Data Interchange Standards Association > akotok@disa.org > +1 703-518-4174 > > > > At 08:40 AM 2/7/03 +1100, David Lyon wrote: > >> Hi Jouko, >> >> Actually, I was one who argued FOR UBL very strongly last year when the >> official ebXML view was that ebXML could be done without having a >> vocabulary. >> >> I argued that ebXML would be hard to understand in the real world >> without a >> simple example vocabulary. >> >> Now we have that with UBL and quite a good job has been done. >> >> What I'm suggesting now is that it should probably be known as the "ebXML >> Schemas". >> >> Best Regards >> >> David Lyon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jouko Salonen" <jouko.salonen@republica.fi> >> To: "CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>; "David Lyon" >> <djlyon@froggy.com.au>; <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>; >> <ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org> >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:25 PM >> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas Released for Public Review >> >> >> > >> > David >> > I agree with Mark. I have a 8 people team working here in Finland >> with a >> Government related XML-dictionary project conforming with the ebXML Core >> Component Spesification 1.9. I must say that the new UBL Library Content >> 0p70 has helped us a lot by giving an example of a real world >> implementation >> of ebXML BIEs and CCs. In my opinion we should not underestimate the >> strategic importance of the work of UBL. It is a landmark, a practical >> one, >> showing us the way forward. In short: If you need information >> interoperability, the best way to go is to follow the track Mark and the >> other UBL-team members have shown us! >> > >> > In my opinion the whole XML-developer community owes the UBL-team >> publicly >> expressed applause and praise! Excellent job! >> > >> > best regards >> > Jouko Salonen >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org] >> > Sent: 6. helmikuuta 2003 0:03 >> > To: David Lyon; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org >> > Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas Released for Public Review >> > >> > >> > David, >> > >> > Since I actively participate in both UBL and CC, let me assure you that >> they are in perfect harmony. CCTS describes a syntax neutral approach to >> developing semantically clear building blocks for syntax specific >> expressions. CCTS does not define how syntax specific expressions should >> occur. That is left up to the implementer - in this case UBL. >> > >> > Let me assure everyone on this list that UBL is in full conformance >> with >> the CCTS - to include creating BIE's and identifying their underlying >> CC's >> in strict compliance with the normative rules in the CCTS, and supplying >> additional metadata to meet the CCTS storage requirements identified in >> Section 7 of the CCTS. The UBL naming and design rules have a core >> guiding >> principle to create optimized XML from BIE's and the other aspects of the >> CCTS, and I firmly believe that is what we are beginning to see in the >> latest release version. We will take feedback from external activities, >> intertwine that feedback with the results of our final discussions in UBL >> NDR, and publish the naming and design rules as a UBL TC >> specification. We >> hope that will happen during our May plenary in London. >> > >> > I would like to point out that UBL members and CCTS have been >> working very >> closely over the last year and a half. In fact a review of membership of >> both bodies will show a significant overlap. UBL has been >> instrumental in >> providing feedback to the CCTS development process, and continues to >> fully >> support CCTS as it completes the implementation verification phase. >> > >> > Mark Crawford >> > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead >> > W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative >> > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee >> > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group >> > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components >> > _____ >> > Logistics Management Institute >> > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805 >> > (703) 917-7177 Fax (703) 917-7481 >> > Wireless (703) 655-4810 >> > mcrawford@lmi.org >> > http://www.lmi.org >> > "Opportunity is what you make of it" >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: David Lyon [mailto:djlyon@froggy.com.au] >> > Sent: Tue 2/4/2003 4:57 PM >> > To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org >> > Cc: >> > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas Released for Public Review >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Nick, >> > >> > Well, it looks to me like UBL has been an enourmous step forward, >> and one >> > can only expect that companies will extend and enhance the messages to >> suite >> > their own circumstances where neccessary. The big difference being that >> with >> > XML you don't neccessarily need to have different processing logic if >> > somebody adds a "banana freshness flag" like you do with EDI. >> > >> > You raise a good point, maybe it is time for someone to have a fresh >> look >> at >> > core components and see how it can be rehashed to somehow accomodate >> UBL. >> At >> > the moment, Core Components are rather abstract, more like some sort of >> > religious experience that is somewhat difficult to fathom. UBL is >> what I >> > would have expected Core Components to have been. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > David Lyon >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Nick Laqua" <Nick.Laqua@newtron.net> >> > To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>; <ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:33 PM >> > Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas Released for Public Review >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > can anybody give me a short hint how UBL is expected to align/cooperate >> with >> > the existing efforts within ebXML (Core Components, context driver >> etc.) ? >> > As I understood, the Core Components approach was meant to avoid the >> typical >> > problems of traditional standards like EDIFACT etc. (messages being to >> > generic on one hand and too complex/specific on the other hand) >> leading to >> > proprietary "enhancements" and adaptions. >> > >> > Isn't UBL just another attempt to install a "standard" interoperable >> format >> > (like EDIFACT etc.) ? >> > >> > Thx >> > >> > Nick >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org] >> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:40 PM >> > To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org >> > Subject: [ebxml-dev] UBL Schemas Released for Public Review >> > >> > >> > The first draft of a royalty-free data representation standard for >> > electronic commerce has been released by the OASIS Universal Business >> > Language (UBL) Technical Committee. >> > >> > The UBL Library Content 0p70 Public Review release can be found at >> > >> > http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lcsc/0p70/ >> > >> > A zip file containing the entire review set packaged for local >> > installation can be downloaded from >> > >> > http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lcsc/0p70/UBL0p70.zip >> > >> > Intended to become international standards for electronic trade, the >> UBL >> > schemas contained in the review package specify machine-readable XML >> > representations of familiar business documents. The seven basic >> > documents covered in this release include Order, Order Response, Simple >> > Order Response, Order Cancellation, Despatch Advice, Receipt Advice, >> and >> > Invoice. Together, they can be used to implement a generic buy/sell >> > relationship or supply chain whose components fit existing trade >> > agreements and are immediately understandable by workers in business, >> > supply-chain management (SCM), Electronic Data Interchange (EDI), >> > accounting, customs, taxation, and shipping. >> > >> > These generic schemas are intended to work in a wide variety of >> business >> > contexts through custom extensions. Automated context configuration >> will >> > be addressed in a later phase of the effort. The schemas are also >> > designed be used in their generic form in many ordinary business >> > contexts without further modification. >> > >> > The business context in which the generic document types are >> designed to >> > function is detailed in the materials accompanying the release. Other >> > documentation includes the entire semantic model on which the schemas >> > are based, a description of the methodology by which the schemas were >> > created, and UML diagrams to aid in software design. The package also >> > contains alternative ASN.1 specifications for the UBL schemas that >> allow >> > ASN.1 tools to be used for UBL document transfers. Additional >> > supplementary materials will be made available in a following package >> > update to be announced separately. >> > >> > The UBL schemas reflect a number of inputs, the most important of which >> > are the commercial xCBL schemas from Commerce One and SAP; the ebXML >> > Core Components Specification; early XSL stylesheet implementations; >> and >> > early feedback from the UBL Liaisons >> > (http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lsc/). UBL schema design follows >> > the UBL Naming and Design Rules developed by the UBL NDR Subcommittee >> > (http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ndrsc/). The definition of UBL >> > semantic content, based on existing practice in EDI and electronic >> > marketplaces, has taken place in close alignment with ebXML Core >> > Components methodology to ensure optimal integration into the ebXML >> > semantic registry. >> > >> > As works in progress, the materials in the Library Content 0p70 Public >> > Review package do not yet have the status of an OASIS Open Standard or >> > an OASIS Committee Specification. The construction of experimental >> > prototypes based on these materials is encouraged for the purpose of >> > generating input back to the committee process, but implementers are >> > strongly advised against basing commercial or mission-critical >> > applications on the draft specifications. >> > >> > The OASIS UBL Library Content Subcommittee invites interested >> parties to >> > comment on this release directly to the Library Content Subcommittee >> > Editor, Bill Meadows (bill.meadows@sun.com), using the recommended >> > feedback form at >> > >> > >> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lcsc/0p70/UBL_Comment-0p1.rtf >> > >> > This release comment period applies from Monday, January 27th until >> > Monday, April 14th 2003. We welcome all comments and will ensure to >> > advise of our dispositions to any suggestions. >> > >> > The work of the OASIS UBL Technical Committee is open to public view >> > through the mail archives linked from the UBL home page: >> > >> > http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ >> > >> > Formal input to UBL from industry data exchange organizations is >> > provided through the UBL Liaison Subcommittee: >> > >> > http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lsc/ >> > >> > Input from the general public is accepted through the ubl-comment mail >> > list: >> > >> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/ >> > >> > Interested parties are invited to comment on the work of the UBL TC by >> > subscribing to the ubl-comment list using the OASIS list manager: >> > >> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________ >> > Carol Geyer >> > Director of Communications >> > OASIS >> > http://www.oasis-open.org >> > carol.geyer@oasis-open.org >> > Voice: +1 978.667.5115 x209 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >> manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > > -- VP Strategic Relations, Technologies Evangelist XML Global Technologies **************************** ebXML software downloads - http://www.xmlglobal.com/prod/
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