Subject: RE: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancou ver
Scott, Thanks, I will pass the suggestion of a "Registry Summit" on to the UDDI WG. I like the idea of FTF discussions also. The only conflict that I am aware of is with XML DevCon (in NY) that same week. I'll get a note back to the Reg/Rep list following our UDDI WG discussions this week. Joel -----Original Message----- From: Nieman, Scott [mailto:Scott.Nieman@NorstanConsulting.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:45 AM To: Munter, Joel D; ''ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org' ' Cc: 'Joel Farrell '; 'Dan Wolfson '; 'Josephine Cheng '; 'Don Haderle '; ''Dan Chang' '; 'Scott Hinkelman '; 'Jonathan Dayao ' Subject: RE: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancou ver Joel, your are correct, and perhaps the distributed architecture IS the point of convergence for UDDI, ebXML and OASIS. ebXML has had a distributed registry model in mind from its inception, written in the Requirements specification, Technical Architecture specification, and the Registry Business Domain specification ( use cases ). However, the implementation specifications ( Registry Services and Registry Information Model ) do not have this detailed. In the January ebXML Registry f2f meeting at Sun in Burlington, MA, we agreed that the next f2f would be hosted by Norstan in Minneapolis. I would like to entertain that this f2f be a "Registry Summit" to kick off the UDDI/ebXML/OASIS convergence conversation. I am proposing April 9-11 which should be nice spring time weather. Please announce this to the UDDI folks so that we can nail down the logistics. Personally I prefer a M-W meeting, but if M-F is warranted, I can be convinced especially if is to dedicate time to complete specifications. If the week is going to pose a conflict, I am flexible in April. But I do believe it should be in early to mid April to move this concept nicely into the May ebXML meeting in Vienna. Best regards, Scott -----Original Message----- From: Munter, Joel D [mailto:joel.d.munter@intel.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:49 AM To: 'Nieman, Scott'; 'Jonathan Dayao '; ''ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org' ' Cc: 'Joel Farrell '; 'Dan Wolfson '; 'Josephine Cheng '; 'Don Haderle '; ''Dan Chang' '; 'Scott Hinkelman ' Subject: RE: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancou ver reply: Within its initial Version 1 specification UDDI relies on replication to ensure that all queries are satisfied consistently, completely, and as quickly as possible from any UDDI Operator Node. Please note, Version 1 of UDDI is up and running today. Within the current UDDI model, businesses register information about the business and details about their web services at one of the (replicating) Operator Nodes. The "owner" of the data maintains their data on that Operator Node. This can be done through a well defined API or through a Web-based user interface. The UDDI effort is going through several more specification version cycles. Discussions of Replication vs. a Distributed Architecture will continue into the subsequent iterations of the UDDI specifications. Version 2 is scheduled to start a UDDI Advisor Group Review Cycle in the next few weeks. Both of the architectures and approaches currently specified in ebXML and UDDI, and briefly described by Scott and I, have their advantages and disadvantages. I look forward to seeing and how both efforts mature. I envision an interoperable environment in the future. Joel Munter Intel Corporation joel.d.munter@intel.com (480) 552-3076 -----Original Message----- From: Nieman, Scott [mailto:Scott.Nieman@NorstanConsulting.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:08 AM To: 'Jonathan Dayao '; ''ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org' ' Cc: 'Joel Farrell '; 'Dan Wolfson '; 'Josephine Cheng '; 'Don Haderle '; ''Dan Chang' '; 'Scott Hinkelman ' Subject: RE: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancou ver The ebXML Registry is intended to be distributed, in fact, support a peer-to-peer (P2P) model in the next iteration. Replication is an antiquated concept except for service providers who need fail safe operations, and this represents a fundamental difference between the UDDI and ebXML architecture. ebXML Registry is focusing on a distributed model which the "owner" of the content can ultimately maintain its own information in its own registry and create associations (links) to external objects residing in other registries. Therefore in concept it is feasible for a given business to maintain its own profile (as part of its web site) that references its business processes, data formats exchanged within those business processes, communication protocols etc. These process definitions may be associated to standard business process patterns in another registry such as OASIS, X12, OMG, etc. The ebXML Registry pub/sub architecture will enable distributed queries. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Dayao To: 'xmledi-group@disa.org'; 'Dan Chang'; Scott Hinkelman Cc: Nieman, Scott; Joel Farrell; Dan Wolfson; Josephine Cheng; Don Haderle Sent: 2/15/01 8:15 PM Subject: RE: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancou ver I am new to these topics. I fully support the suggestion and I hope one approach will come out after the discussions. It is difficult to hop from one material to the other just to get a grasp of what they are all about. Also, is the registry centralized in the sense that those who want to do transactions over the net need to register somewhere? Can't a company just put up its company profile and business processes in its own web site. In this case, searching for trading partners may be assisted by search engines. I read in one of the materials that the registry is logically centralized but physically distributed however I am wondering about the reason why companies need to register somewhere...or do they? I might be missing something. Will someone please clarify or give pointers to other reading materials. Thank you very much in advance for the help. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Chang [ mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com <mailto:dtchang@us.ibm.com> ] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:02 AM To: Scott Hinkelman Cc: Nieman, Scott; 'ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org '; Joel Farrell; Dan Wolfson; Josephine Cheng; Don Haderle Subject: Re: IBM UDDI / ebXML / OASIS presentation given 2/14/01 in Vancouver Scott, I am very glad to see that initial discussions have started, in the ebXML Vancouver meeting, on UDDI, OASIS and ebXML registries. Your recommendation to form a task force looking into aligning UDDI and ebXML registries is a very good one and should benefit the industry and customers. As an implementer of registry, I would like also to recommend that a task force be formed looking immediately into merging the ebXML Registry Information Model/Services specification with the OASIS Registry/Repository Technical Specification. This will additionally benefit the industry and customers. Regards, Dan e-business Data Technology and Standards IBM Silicon Valley Laboratory Notes: Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS Internet: dtchang@us.ibm.com VM: IBMUSM50(DTCHANG) Phone: (408)-463-2319 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body to: ebxml-regrep-request@lists.ebxml.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body to: ebxml-regrep-request@lists.ebxml.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body to: ebxml-regrep-request@lists.ebxml.org
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