Re: minutes of Dec. 6-8 TP team F2F in Boston

[James Clark <JamesC@EDIFECS.COM>]

All,

There is definitely a thread of clarity in discussion.
I agree with most if not all statements and perspectives represented here.

Jim Clark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Haugen" <linkage@interaccess.com>
To: "'Martin W Sachs'" <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>; <stefano.pogliani@sun.com>
Cc: <ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org>; "'ebXML-BP@llists.ebxml.org'"
<ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: minutes of Dec. 6-8 TP team F2F in Boston


> Software layers beyond the TRP have been and are continuing
> to be specified by the BP group.  The "specification schema"
> worked on last week in Boston is one step in extending the
> business-level specs in the BP metamodel to something
> that will work with the TP (CPA?) specs.  Jim Clark is also
> writing a document that makes explicit what has been an
> implicit series of discussion about an ebXML protocol stack.
> (Similar to Scott Hinkleman's "conceptual layers" in a
> recent message to the TP and other lists.)
> While the protocol stack crosses the boundaries of several
> ebXML work  groups (TRP, TP and BP), this document
> could be a place to specify BSI-like software.
> There is also a pair of communicating state machines
> in the current BP metamodel that could be part
> of the specs for a BSI.  In addition, of course, to
> Stefano's excellent documents on the same theme,
> which contribute to the same end.
>
> I think if there is no spec for the runtime software,
> there will not be interoperability of business processes,
> and so ebXML will not be any different from XML-EDI -
> just document transport.  (That is also how I interpret
> Marty's statement about first-to-market setting the
> "standard".)
>
> Regards,
> Bob Haugen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin W Sachs [SMTP:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:12 AM
> To: stefano.pogliani@sun.com
> Cc: ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-transport@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: minutes of Dec. 6-8 TP team F2F in Boston
>
>
> The point is precisely that you need the BSI to implement the BP
functions.
> There is no place in the existing set of ebXML specifications to put the
> BSI specification.  We have a lot of confused discussions about whether
> these functions are part of TRP.  However they are completely outside the
> existing scope of the TRP specifications.  I believe that a lot of people
> say that the BSI is strictly implementation and we should not architect
> implementation.  That may be correct.  If so, whoever is first to market
> will have the opportunity to define the middleware interoperability
> specification.
>
> Regards,
> Marty
>
>
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> Martin W. Sachs
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> 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
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> Stefano POGLIANI <stefano.pogliani@sun.com> on 12/14/2000 04:16:07 AM
>
> Please respond to stefano.pogliani@sun.com
>
> To:   ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org
> cc:
> Subject:  RE: minutes of Dec. 6-8 TP team F2F in Boston
>
>
>
> >From the minutes :
>
> "Dale said that the Proof of Concept team wants to implement the BP
> functions but the BSI is outside the scope of the TRP specification.  The
> BP team needs a specification and a scenario or example."
>
>      Could someone pls clarify this to me? How to implement BP functions
> without
>      the BSI ?
>
> /Stefano
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:48 PM
> > To: ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org
> > Cc: Maryann Hondo
> > Subject: minutes of Dec. 6-8 TP team F2F in Boston
> >
> >
> > I have attached the minutes of the TP team face to face meeting in
> > Cambridge and Burlington, MA Dec. 6-8, 2000.
> >
> > I would like to thank Lotus (Maryann Hondo) and Sun (Chris Ferris and
> > Karsten Riemer) for their hospitality.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marty
> >
> > (See attached file: MinutesTP2000-12-6.doc)
> >
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> > Martin W. Sachs
> > IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
> > P. O. B. 704
> > Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
> > 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> > Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> > Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
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