RE: mime vs xml header

["Rik Drummond" <drummond@onramp.net>]

these issues are what we will discuss tomorrow on the call dick, nick and
dale have done work in this area... lets let them tell us their analysis and
their reasoning for either one or both options.... rik

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ebxml-transport@lists.oasis-open.org
[mailto:owner-ebxml-transport@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of David
Burdett
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:35 AM
To: Kit (Christopher) Lueder; ebxml-transport
Subject: RE: mime vs xml header


I think we can usefully come up with a set of "requirements" just for the
outer wrapper, for example:
1. Handling arbitrarily large documents
2. Wrapping any type of content without having to transform it (e.g. by
changing "<" into "&lt", or doing Base 64 encoding)
3. Processing the outer wrapper safely when there are errors in the inner
document.

Is there anything else.

My current view is that MIME handles all these things nicely but XML doesn't
so easily (can anyone shed a light on this?)

That way we can:
1. Have a rational basis for our decision
2. Provide input into groups working on an XML wrapper, e.g. the W3C

Thoughts?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Kit (Christopher) Lueder [mailto:kit@mitre.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:52 AM
To: ebxml-transport
Subject: mime vs xml header


> Dick Brooks wrote:
> I don't recall the name of the person assigned to produce the document, it
> may have been Kit Lauder.

Hi Dick,
I agreed to coordinate discussion on the MIME vs XML header question. I
don't think there was a particular document planned for that, aside from
our regular deliverables. Anyway, let's try to wrap up the MIME vs XML
header issue tomorrow's teleconference, if we can. I think we should be
prepared for a vote for your preference, MIME-based envelope, XML-based
envelope, or both.
Kit.

To recap:

On Thursday, 3/9, I posted a message giving a high-level summary of the
two enveloping approaches: mime envelope (from Dick/Nick's paper) and
pure XML envelope.


> Mark Crawford wrote (lots of questions, few answers), Friday 3/10:
> It appears to me that one of the things missing in the mime vs. XML debate
is
> what are the XML server developers and XML business standards bodies
doing.  At
> the Orlando meeting, Rik indicated the transport group was going to look
at
> different enveloping solutions, including RosettaNet and BizTalk.  Did
that
> happen?  If so, what were the results? (yes I know RosettaNet uses Mime
and
> BizTalk supports Mime for binary data, but does that mean we adopt Mime as
"the"
> solution?).  By the same token, are there representatives in the transport
group
> from such companies as - webMethods, Bluestone, Microsoft, Sun, IBM and
others
> involved in developing industrial strength XML servers? ...


On Saturday 3/11, David Burdett responded to Dale Moberg regarding using
XML or MIME to wrap arbitrary content.


On Monday 3/13, Dale Moberg posted an elaboration (Almost-everywhere XML
Packaging for ebXML: strawman for discussion) of my XML proposal,
showing tags for <XMLPackage> and other MIME-like attributes.


Here is a revised version of my (Kit's) list of benefits of both
approaches, after trying to capture the discussion of the last week:
Benefits of MIME envelope:
 - If you are using e-mail, it falls out automatically. The design
proposed by Dick & Nick is intended to be the same as what is
supported by browsers now.
 - If you want to parse the header but don't want to parse the body
(content), some XML parsers aren't able to arbitrarily stop in the
middle of
a document. (e.g., if you have an ebXML envelope around a huge document
content and don't want the overhead of parsing the whole thing.) MIME
allows the header to be a separate attachment from the body, so they can
be parsed separately.
 - If you have an XML parsing error anywhere in the document, the parser
fails. Thus an error in the content will kill parsing of the envelope,
if it is all XML. The MIME processor can be tolerant of errors in
the MIME envelope (e.g., ignore  unrecognized tags).
 - MIME can still handle the attachment even if the content-body is not
based on XML, e.g., to support a binary attachment.
 - Having the attachment separate from the header within the MIME
message
allows the attachment to be compressed or encrypted without concealing
the headers.

Benefits of pure XML solution (no MIME envelope):
 - It is a pure XML solution, which meets the possible "ebXML
requirement" of our solution being W3C-compliant. Only one technology
is used for it.
 - Publishing a pure XML solution merely involves creating an XML schema
on a repository.
 - You don't have to do special processing to strip the MIME envelope
before feeding the XML stuff to the XML parser.
 - If you have a web server and a user fills out and submits a web form,
I suspect it is easier for the server back end to generate pure XML,
rather than having to generate a MIME envelope as well.
 -  Some event-based parsers and maybe SAX parsers
could support parsing just the envelope (per Matthew MacKenzie). You
might need to know in advance that it is an ebXL envelope, though (per
David Burdett), such as with a transport parameter such as:
message-type: ebXML.

Aspects that are applicable to both approaches (per Prasad Yendluri
<pyendluri@vitria.com>):
 - The ability to pack together varying number of, disparate content
types(xml and non-xml including binary forms), without having to resort
to
special conversion / data encoding schemes (e.g. binary to UUENCODE).
 - To keep business content independent of and disjoint from routing
information so that, entities performing the routing (potentially third
parties), don't need to (or should not) look into the business message.
 - Facilitate detection and reporting of errors back to the originating
party (by the receiving party), even if the business content is not
something handled by the receiving party. That is, have a well defined
standard header and variable business content, that are packed together.


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