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Subject: FW: [SOAP] Notes from Chicago BOF meeting
More information from the SOAP front. Question for the header group: Should SOAP be included as a candidate for ebXML headers? Dick Brooks http://www.8760.com/ -----Original Message----- From: SOAP [mailto:SOAP@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM]On Behalf Of Bob Salita Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 11:22 AM To: SOAP@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: [SOAP] Notes from Chicago BOF meeting Here's some notes from yesterday's Chicago SOAP BOF meeting. They should be of general interest. The meeting was called because Kent Sharkey, Technical Evangelist at Microsoft, asked to make a presentation about SOAP. We hoped to receive some software bits although this was not the case. Prior to his arrival, we polled our group's opinions. 92% felt the proposed breakup of Microsoft into two parts (OS vs. Office) was a really bad idea. 92% felt Microsoft's appeal would prevail thus gutting Judge Jackson's decision. The mix of favored programming languages changed. In our previous meeting, interests were very fragmented. This meeting 90% were both C++ and VB oriented, 50% used some Java, 10% were other. Kent demonstrated Web Services which contained Microsoft's SOAP and ROAP implementation. I found the following info significant. * Most importantly, Kent emphasized that Microsoft's SOAP activities, such as Web Services, are a work in progress. Much will change, many improvements are expected. Kent set our level of expectation by stating that Web Services will be a reference implementation, not an idealized implementation. There is great need and opportunity for additional implementations of SOAP. Including implementations that target COM, languages, hardware vendors, security, performance. Thus I hope to see additional implementations from DevelopMentor, IBM (hopefully open source), third party TCP/IP control vendors, and custom implementations. Entreprenuers take note. * Kent felt that Web Services will be delayed another month. In my mind I pessimistically expect no final bits until October. * Web Services will not initially contain an SSL implementation. * Performance may be an issue. Expect to solve performance issues by clusterering. * The SOAP 1.1 spec documents HTTP as a carrier. Expect future SOAP specs to include SMTP, perhaps ftp and MSMQ also. * Future SOAP specs aren't likely to break 1.1 implementations. * The ROAP implementation, which is the mechanism for VB programs to access SOAP servers, is relatively simple but by no means elegant. * A SOAP IDL spec and implementation seems to be months away. * Microsoft would like to add a web discovery mechanism that interrogates SOAP servers for information, such as services provided. Shades of Corba Trader services? * Web Services software development is being done by the MSDN group. Some of the Duwamish people are on the project. * IBM was rumored to have more SOAP developers than Microsoft. * SOAP's momentum is continuing. Bob. _____________________________________________________________________ Bob Salita Bob_Salita@SoftworksLtd.com Software Developer Softworks Limited http://SoftworksLtd.com _____________________________________________________________________ Author of Softworks VBVM, a portable Visual Basic Virtual Machine. Hold the Java. Run VB 5/6 programs on any computer system. You can read messages from the SOAP archive, unsubscribe from SOAP, or subscribe to other DevelopMentor lists at http://discuss.develop.com.
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