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Subject: RE: Comments on TA doc v1.0

Title: RE: Comments on TA doc v1.0
    I am a little bit surprised about this. If the UID/GUID issue has not been discussed in detail within the RegRep, which is the reason why it should appear in the TA? I thought that the TA would have consolidated the discussions currently happening in each team !
So, this makes my concern even more valid in my opinion. What is probably required is simply a mechanism to identify the ebXML elements in a unique way. I do not think that the TA document should provide detailed specs on this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Eisenberg [mailto:BrianE@DataChannel.com]
Sent: 31 January 2001 20:28
To: 'Stefano POGLIANI'; Karsten Riemer; hha@mosaic-ag.com
Cc: Petit, John; ebxml-architecture@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: Comments on TA doc v1.0

Stefano -

I understand your concerns, but I've been told that the RegRep spec currently does not have detailed information on the UID/GUID issue, so we've been told to include some of the details in the TA spec. The goal in doing so is to give the RegRep team enough room to further develop the concepts and suggestions outlined in the TA spec.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefano POGLIANI [mailto:stefano.pogliani@sun.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:23 AM
To: Karsten Riemer; hha@mosaic-ag.com
Cc: Petit, John; ebxml-architecture@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: Comments on TA doc V1.0

Well, possibly this has been extensively discussed before I started to
attend the distlists and so my point is simply obsolete.
But I think that in the TA document there should simply be a mention that
refers to a mechanism for granting unique references. This mechanism may
well be UIDs if this has already been decided by the RegRep team.

So, I would imagine a couple of short sentences in a single place to which
all other parts of the document may point.

Just my 2 cents.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karsten Riemer [mailto:kriemer@volcano.east.sun.com]
> Sent: 30 January 2001 00:26
> To: hha@mosaic-ag.com
> Cc: 'Stefano POGLIANI'; Petit, John; ebxml-architecture@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: Comments on TA doc V1.0
> To help settle this discussion on UID's, I would like to log an issue to
> TA v1.0 that says:
> lines 399-425: move to section 9 (that puts the UID discussion where it
> belongs, under RegRep chapter.
> lines 395-398 and 427-430 and figure 4: move to end of section 6 and add a
> little bit of introductory text, saying that figure 4 illustrates the
> architectural components required to 'run' the example scenario
> in figure 1.
> Drop section 7.3 (which now no longer has any content)
> -karsten
> >
> >Hi Stefano, hi John, hi List!
> >I like to express my point of view to the UID-discussion below...I
> >did that earlier during the review cycle...
> >
> >The whole ebxml idea becomes much more clear at least to the
> >(converter-)developers if
> >the term UID/GUID would be explicit used within the TA doc.
> >To distinguish the concept of ebxml from other concepts (e.g.
> >BizTalk), to proof that
> >ebxml is not just another standard und to show to the world that we
> >have learned from
> >the past 20 years of EDI(fact) the term of UID/GUID should be
> >descripted within the
> >TA doc.
> >I agree with Johns comment that "UIDs are going to play a critical
> >role in cross schema
> >interoperability and semantics" and that the TA doc should covers
> >this topic as a bridge between
> >the different groups docs.
> >I agree also with John that "others would like to see [UID's covered
> >by the TA doc] as well as evidenced by the recent flurry of emails
> >over the use of UIDs"..........at least me.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >Harald
> >
> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >/////////////////////
> >Dr. Harald Hauschildt                email: hha@mosaic-ag.com
> >MOSAIC SOFTWARE AG           Tel: +49-(0)2225-882-425
> >Feldstr. 8                   Fax: +49-(0)2225-882-201
> >D-53340 Meckenheim
> >//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >/////////////////////
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:        Stefano POGLIANI [SMTP:stefano.pogliani@sun.com]
> >Sent:        Monday, January 29, 2001 12:16 PM
> >To:  Petit, John; ebxml-architecture@lists.ebxml.org
> >Subject:     RE: Comments on TA doc V1.0
> >
> >John,
> >
> >    two words on your comment on my comments:
> >
> >"...I disagree with Stefano Pogliani's comment to downplay UID
> >references in
> >the TA doc. The use of UIDs goes across several ebXML groups (CC,
> >Registry,
> >BP, etc)  and UIDs are going to play a critical role in cross schema
> >interoperability and semantics.  As the TA doc should illustrate
> >concepts
> >that bridge several ebXML groups, UIDs should certainly be covered in
> >the TA
> >doc. In fact, I would like to see a bit more of an explanation of the
> >UID
> >mechanism for semantic translation of XML documents. Clearly this is
> >something others would like to see as well as evidenced by the recent
> >flurry
> >of emails over the use of UIDs."
> >
> >My comments raise from the following:
> >  1.. If CC, BP and CPA would require explicitely to use the UIDs,
> >then this
> >may be an "architectural" thing.
> >  In this case I would "move" the explanation of them outside of the
> >RegRep
> >since, as you note, it is a technology that spans different domains.
> >At this
> >point, I would make a paragraph somewhere saying that, whenever a
> >Unique ID
> >is required, then the GUID (or any other mechanism) will be used
> >consistently and this same mechanism will be enforced by the RegRep.
> >  2.. If other teams do not need to explicitely reference UIDs, then
> >it will
> >be something inside the RegRep and it will be a technical
> >implementation.
> >I am not saying to remove any and all of the occurrences of
> >UID-related
> >sentences. I am trying to say that this would need to be a fair small
> >section that does not need to be repeated in too many places.
> >
> >/Stefano
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Petit, John [mailto:jpetit@kpmg.com]
> >  Sent: 29 January 2001 01:23
> >  To: 'ebxml-architecture@lists.ebxml.org'
> >  Subject: Comments on TA doc V1.0
> >
> >
> >  Here are my comments in Word format.
> >
> >  Cheers, John Petit
> >  KPMG Consulting
> >  XMLfs Team
> >  Office: 970 728 9468
> >  Mobile: 312 961 8956
> >
> >
> > << File: ATT00001.htm >>
> >

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