RE: [seattle-xml] March 5, 2001 Seattle XML agenda: BPMI

["Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com>]

Hi Todd,
1. I gathered from their website that "The first draft of BPML will be made
available to the public on March 8, 2001.", so I guess it's kinda hard to
say anything definite @ BPMI till then; ... and I'm sure someone will have a
comment or two !

2. as for Ismael Ghalimi, the CEO of Intalio said, "...the mere existence of
BPMI.org will have a strong impact on ebXML: it will force ebXML to decide
wether they should focus on Collaborative Business Processes or compete
directly with BPMI.org. " Well my impression is ebXML has taken the step of
Collaborative Business Processes. 

3. last Friday, the ebXML closing plenary formally approved the ebXML
Technical Architecture Document which includes words to the effect that if
you are (collaborative) business process modeling for ebXML, then you are to
use the TMWG N90 UMM as your original source.

4. I personally enjoyed Cory Casanave's lunch & learn last week @ ebXML on
his/Kartsen Riemer's work on the OMG front w.r.t. their proposal on EDOC and
Business Service Integration for Enterprise Collaboration Architectures.
http://cgi.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ad/99-10-20

Dave




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Levy [mailto:ken_levy@csi.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:24 AM
> To: tboyle@rosehill.net; Seattle XML SIG
> Cc: ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: [seattle-xml] March 5, 2001 Seattle XML agenda: BPMI
> 
> 
> XMLFund is also an investor in XMLGlobal, host of last weeks 
> ebXML conference.  Part of the reason you should attend the March 5th
> meeting on BPMI (since you are interested in ebXML) is to 
> find out how BPMI and ebXML differ and how they complement each other.
> But lets not make a thread on this for the alias, just reply 
> directly if you want/need to, thanks.  Remember a few months 
> back I set
> up Simon Nicholson of Sun to speak on ebXML, and Duane 
> Nickull spoke before that.  I think this summer is a good 
> time frame to have
> another topic on ebXML at Seattle XML SIG, this time focused 
> around real solutions/products based on ebXML.
> 
> Ken Levy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Boyle" <tboyle@rosehill.net>
> To: "Ken Levy" <ken_levy@csi.com>; "Seattle XML SIG" 
> <seattle-xml@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:21 AM
> Subject: [seattle-xml] March 5, 2001 Seattle XML agenda: BPMI
> 
> 
> 
> Jeepers, now BPMI is doing B2B!  :-)
> 
> > span multiple applications, corporate departments, and business
> > partners, behind the firewall and over the Internet...
> 
> Why not converge with ebXML BP.  What's the problem, that causes
> a need for BPMI to build its own 3rd party BP?
> 
> This will be an interesting program, if true!  Internal integration
> is the whole object model, and method calls for Add, Update, Delete
> and 1000 other fine-grained things.  Dealing with sovereign 
> 3rd parties,
> the verbs are only "request" and "response", especially in new
> business relationships.
> 
> Ismael Ghalimi, the CEO of Intalio said,
> http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-stc/200008/msg00046.html
> 
>  "...the mere existence of BPMI.org will have a strong impact on
>   ebXML: it will force ebXML to decide wether they should focus on
>   Collaborative Business Processes or compete directly with 
> BPMI.org. "
> 
> It is probably a reasonable thing to point out that your company,
> XMLFund, is sponsor of Seattle XML SIG's website and also a
> related party in Intalio.  I hope it doesn't undermine the ebXML,
> http://peryourrequest.com/cimworld/news/N757.htm
> http://seattlexml.org/
> http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/htsearch?config=lists_ebxml_org&rest
> rict=&method=a
> nd&sort=score&words=bpmi
> 
> Hope we're still friends!
> Todd
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Levy [mailto:ken_levy@csi.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:49 AM
> > To: Seattle XML SIG
> [.....]
> > From http://seattlexml.org
> > March 5, 2001
> > The Business Process Management Initiative (http://www.bpmi.org).
> > The Business Process Management Initiative (BPMI.org) is an
> > independent organization devoted to the development of open
> > specifications for the management of e-Business processes that
> > span multiple applications, corporate departments, and business
> > partners, behind the firewall and over the Internet. BPMI.org
> > complements initiatives such as J2EE and SOAP that enable the
> > convergence of legacy infrastructures toward process-oriented
> > enterprise computing, and initiatives such as ebXML, RosettaNet,
> > BizTalk, WSDL, UDDI, tpaML, and E-Speak that support
> > process-oriented business-to-business collaboration. BPMI.org
> > defines open specifications such as the Business Process Modeling
> > Language (BPML) and the Business Process Query Language (BPQL)
> > that will enable the standards-based management of e-Business
> > processes with forthcoming Business Process Management Systems
> > (BPMS), in much the same way SQL enabled the standards-based
> > management of business data with off-the-shelf Database
> > Management Systems (DBMS). BPMI.org has been initiated by
> > Intalio,Inc. and created in August 2000 by a group of sixteen
> > enterprise software vendors and consulting firms. Membership is
> > open to all companies, non-profit organizations, and individuals.
> > Speaker: Ismael Ghalimi, CEO, Intalio, Inc.  Ismael Ghalimi
> > co-founded Intalio in 1999 after organizing the first ExoLab
> > Session, an Open Source software conference that laid the
> > technical foundations for forthcoming Business Process Management
> > Systems (BPMS). Mr. Ghalimi successfully built a world-class
> > engineering team that is developing the first standards-based
> > BPMS and authored the first definition of this new enterprise
> > software infrastructure in his white paper, "The Process-Managed
> > Enterprise" (July 2000). He created the Business Process
> > Management Initiative (BPMI.org) in August 2000, and was
> > instrumental in the development of this organization into the
> > de-facto standardization body for Business Process Management
> > technologies. Mr. Ghalimi graduated from the Ecole des Mines de
> > Nancy (France) and went on to study parallel & distributed
> > computing at the Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon (France).
> >
> > XML International: Michael Kaplan of Trigeminal Software Inc.,the
> > author of Internationalization With Visual Basic, will discuss
> > the many issues that are involved with using XML in the global
> > arena. issues with encoding choices, character sets, code pages,
> > the byte order marks that act as encoding signatures, and how to
> > make sure that your use of XML is "internationally friendly" is
> > discussed.
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