RE: Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be adopted as the ebXML BusinessDocument framework

[Stuart Campbell <stuart.campbell@tieglobal.com>]

Hello Arofan

I say get the best semantics from those who *do* have this expertise, the
busines people
***Im not sure if you read all the original mail since I couldnt agree
more - as i said before "EDIFACT+ has over 10 years of producing good models
...if you extract out the underlying semantics and structures ... then you
have something decent and XML is easy to derive."

, and get the best technology approaches from those who spend their lives
working in that arena.
***Absolutely re "...forced into a heritage syntax..."

I thought that's why the UN and OASIS had joined forces in ebXML.
Personally, I think it's a great idea, even if you
do not.
***Im sure you didnt mean to put such inaccurate words in to my mouth.  I
think UN/OASIS has proved an excellent fit (although for the future i do
have so large concerns on the openness and internationalisation of OASIS -
but thats another thread!).  However, i do have a concern on adoption of
xCBL which was the only theme of the original mail:
-unless it is in an open environment
-EDIFACT(or similar) not xCBL should be the starting point for semantics
-xCBL is just one of a myriad of approaches for model to syntax dependant
realisation

* My good fried Sue Probert from C1 has clarified that xCBL plus would be in
such a open environment (so it seems like a tick in that box).
* I think for EDIFACT+ involvement the ball is now in EWG court to prove the
ebXML specifications and ideas for CC (a tick in that box)
*Finally wrt the "...the best ways of expressing those semantics in ways
that agree with the best of XML technology. I would argue that this is what
xCBL does." is of course an opinion.  Im sure many other vendors/user groups
will have theirs (TIE does offer anything here btw).  However, my
understanding is that ebXML CC would provide such a methodology and thus
when applying this to the EWG component models you should be able to come up
with XML automatically (as Phil Goatley from Bolero, and to an extent CEN
work in Europe has said several time) so im not sure what xCBL would add to
this appart from a great example of how to present - maybe you can enlighten
me.


Regards


STUART
Technical Strategy Director, Technical Strategy Team
Business Development Unit

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Kind Regards


STUART
Technical Strategy Director, Technical Strategy Team
Business Development Unit

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Stuart Campbell
TIE Holding NV
UK          T:+44 1270 254019   F:+44 7971 121013
Netherlands  T:+31 20 658 9335   F:+31 20 658 9901
Global       M:+44 7970 429251   E:stuart.campbell@TIEGlobal.com
		 W:www.TIEglobal.com P:www.stuartcampbell.co.uk
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