FW: Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be adopted as the ebXML BusinessDocument framework

[Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>]

posted on behalf of Sue Probert....

</karl>


-----Original Message-----
From: Probert, Sue [mailto:Sue.Probert@commerceone.com]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:01 PM
To: 'stuart.campbell@tieglobal.com'
Cc: 'Karl Best'; 'Jon Bosak'
Subject: RE: Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be adopted as the ebXML
Business Document framework


Hi Stuart

Unfortunately the ebXML list servers still do not accept messages from my
'new' email address so I am sending this to you directly for now.

I wonder if your xCBL comments are made about version 2.0 or version 3.0?
The situation is that xCBL 30 was developed jointly between SAP and Commerce
One during the second half of last year. Since mid December 2000 the whole
technical content of xCBL30 has been published on the open web-site
xCBL.org.

The version 3.0 development project encompassed consideration of several
existing XML implementation standards including Rosettanet and OBI etc.,
both UN/EDIFACT and X12 community implementation standards including EANCOM,
AIAG, ITIGG etc etc. not to mention R/3 interfacing.

This obviously represents a lot of technical investment and SAP and Commerce
One have simply offered this work to the ebXML follow-on group as a starting
point if it proves to be of interest. Of course, this technical information
is already available openly but what both companies have also offered is
some commitment to play a part in supporting the work i.e. to provide links
to the joint development team itself.

regards

Sue

PS Karl please could you post this message on to the ebXML core list server
for me, thanks.

Sue Probert
Director, Document Engineering
Commerce One
Tel: +44 1332 342080
www.commerceone.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Campbell [mailto:stuart.campbell@tieglobal.com]
Sent: 30 March 2001 14:39
To: 'William J. Kammerer'; 'ebXML Core'
Subject: RE: Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be adopted as the ebXML
Business Document framework


Hello William

I hope you are joking.

Whilst proprietary xCBL is of interest, having studied it from previous work
its a very nice presentation which gives some nice statements about learning
from other standards but IMHO it seems its been modelled by modeling experts
rather than users (ie lacks reality of real trade except in very specific
cases and is not encompassing) and such statements of reuse are just that.
It is also very limited especially when comparing to EDIFACT and other open
business standards which of course should be the base for the future.  The
fact that xCBL is XML does - by a LONG WAY - not make it a strong contender
for the future.  At the end of the day it is very easy to make XML from a
complete set of global trade models; its the global trade modals that are
difficult.  EDIFACT+ has over 10 years of producing good models forced into
a heritage syntax but if you extract out the underlying semantics and
structures (and remove the syntax independent fluff) then you have something
decent and XML is easy to derive.  I have been involved in several projects
which do just that.

Please keep us informed about this if you learn anything new.

Regards

STUART
Technical Strategy Director, Technical Strategy Team
Business Development Unit

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-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Kammerer [mailto:wkammerer@foresightcorp.com]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 15:02
To: ebXML Core
Subject: Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be adopted as the ebXML
Business Document framework


I've heard nary a reaction to Jon Bosak's suggestion that xCBL be
adopted as the ebXML Business Document framework.  Bosak - the "Father
of XML" - made this proposal at the UN/CEFACT EWG in Washington, DC
(well, actually, McLean, VA) last week. Or, at least, I could swear
that's what I heard and saw Bosak present.  I do have a rich imagination
which may have led me astray.  If I could get hold of his slides, that
might prove that I am not making all this up.

Is the silence due to 1) shock, 2) Jon Bosak is regularly ignored, or 3)
ebXML is going to handle this in secret sessions?  What impact would
this have on the Core Components work to date, if any?

William J. Kammerer
FORESIGHT Corp.
4950 Blazer Pkwy.
Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
+1 614 791-1600

Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/
"accelerating time-to-trade"




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