Re: AW: ISO 8601 anyone?? And more on Parties.

[Mike Rawlins <rawlins@metronet.com>]

Excuse me if this is a dumb question, but what does this discussion have to do
with "syntax neutral" core components?  I don't see any relevance other than to
settle whether or not the dates/times referenced as Core Components always need
to be in a specific format.  The ebXML Requirements Spec doesn't mandate ISO
8601 specifically, but it does implicitly by mandating the use of appropriate,
existing international standards.

Whether dates are presented as elements or attributes in an instance document,
and whether or not they also have presentation formats, seem to me to be
implementation issues that might be relevant for other efforts (EWG, X12, OAG,
etc.), but not for ebXML.

John McClure wrote:

> Again, I think that both encodings -- a presentation encoding and an 8601
> encoding -- are necessary. What's the problem with
>
> <instant value='2001-01-01'>New Year's Day</instant>
> <instant value='2001-10-03T14:00'>03 Oct 01 2PM</instant>
> <instant value='2001-10-03'>Oct. 3, 2001</instant>
>
> If a publisher wants to put the 8601 string into the content then, by all
> means, let them. Don't force 'my way or the highway' (as Frankie would say).
> That's not how standards are developed. Gather requirements. Meet the
> requirements. I daresay that the requirements include what I have just
> outlined.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Galpin [mailto:g1smd@freeuk.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:59 PM
> > To: ebXML core
> > Cc: Andreas Schultz; Aron Roberts
> > Subject: Re: AW: ISO 8601 anyone?? And more on Parties.
> >
> >
> > On 2001-Apr-17 Andreas Schultz <Schultz.DKV@t-online.de> wrote in
> > <ebXML-core>:
> >
> >
> > > I also agree with what Sharon said about the CONTENT. But - the
> > possibility
> > > we have within EDIFACT allows people to write Date -
> > information in a format
> > > they are used to. Limiting this to just one format, even if it
> > may (or may
> > > not as Eduardo points out) be stated by W3C (who as we at least since
> > > Washington all know does not have the same status as UN/CEFACT
> > EWG or ISO)
> > > seems to be a poor solution. I would not expect the Europeans
> > (mostly using
> > > DDMMYYYY)to change the format they are used to, especially not while
> > > exchangig data within Europe.
> >
> >
> > Under CEN regulations, all European and Scandinavian countries have now
> > adopted the EN 28601 standard, which has the same words as ISO 8601. It
> > should not be a problem to use Year-Month-Day across the whole of Europe.
> > Lets get rid of the dd/mm/yy - mm/dd/yy ambiguity for ever. Although W3C
> > does not have the status of ISO, many W3C recommendations incorporate the
> > ideas from common ISO standards.. ISO 8601, ISO 3166, ISO 4217, ISO 8859,
> > ISO 10646 and so on. In Germany, DIN (the German standards authority)
> > revised the DIN 5008 standard in 1996 to outlaw the old '20 VIII 97' date
> > format in favour of '1997-08-20'  a la ISO 8601 & EN 28601 standards. DIN
> > 5008 is the standard for typographical date formats, used in letters,
> > contracts, invoices, publications, and so on, in Germany. It has no ISO or
> > EN equivalent (yet!).
> >
> >
> >
> > > So, I guess the solution only can be to give
> > > informations about the format a date is expressed in (even if this
> > > is not compliant to W3C or ISO 8601 but at "least" with UN/EDIFACT).
> >
> > Let's use just one format, end-to-end, in the whole process.
> > Avoids confusion, needs less processing.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> >
> >  Ian A.N. Galpin.
> >
> >          *Sadly my middle two initials don't repeat, but
> >          *my first three initials do spell my first name ;->
> >
> >
> > <g1smd@freeuk.com>
> >
> >
> > [2001-04-18]
> >
> > .end
> >
> >
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