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Subject: SMEs supported by: bpPROC

People are missing the point if they focus on the content of section 8.2,
Catalog of Common Business Processes with Cross References, and not the
intent of the document.

The intent of the document will support SMEs.  I suggest people read bpPROC
and read the Business Information Analysis Overview [bpOVER] document to
understand how the anlaysis/modeling process fits into the bigger picture of

SMEs (and their proponents) need to step up to the plate and 1) identify
business processes/collaborations/transactions that they are interested in
and 2) provide the business process models and specifications that they are
interested in.  The development of bpPROC is an open forum and it's
unfortunate that people feel that SMEs were left out (but once again, they
are not left out per the processes described in the document and in bpOver)


-----Original Message-----
From: David Lyon [mailto:djlyon@one.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:14 PM
To: ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-ccbp-analysis@lists.ebxml.org;
Cc: Paul R. Levine
Subject: Re: bpPROC

Interesting reading. Everybody has done a very good job at ensuring that
this document comes together well. Good work. However the document only
addresses the wants of bigger organisations, and has the same push as all of
the EDI systems that we have ever seen, and that is:- Purchase Orders.

Betty is able to truly capture what the response of SMEs will be. Millions
of businesses are going to say the same thing about the description of the
business process:

> I have been in business 6 years and have created 1 PO and have received 2
so a PO is not big on my list of wants.

That's the way it is.

With large organisations it not always dissimilar. One company that I've
done consulting for only receives about 20 POs for day (each usually for
over a million dollars worth of product).

These POs, both EDI and manual, must be received between 11:00am and
12:00am. A Longer window means unneccessary cost, and so they've been able
to streamline the process into something that works quite well.

With the business process defined in this document, ebXML might shave
possibly ten minutes off a the process that is only taking a few hours
anyway. With each PO usually for over a million dollars worth of goods, the
operator isn't placed in a high pressure job. He makes a big fuss over how
much trouble he has to go to to download the EDI files from GEIS, but I
think he's just trying to play up the importantance of his job.

So my question is that if the focus of ebXML business process is framed
largely at Purchase Orders, knowing that Small Enterprises hardly use of
them and large Enterprises are already efficient in this area, what positive
impact is ebXML anticipated to have.

The only benefit that I can see is for the business process modelling
consultants who are looking for increasingly smaller faults to correct,
without seeing any of the broader and more pressing applications of XML

I get the impression that ebXML is much like the current NASA space station
situation. The ebXML designers are afraid to make design changes that would
allow too many passengers to come on board. In fact, I get the impression
that they don't want large numbers of people using ebXML.

To quote something I saw Buzz Aldren say on the news last night speaking
about the NASA administration, "They think that only superhumans should be
able to do it [fly in space]".

For just $20M one can get into space now, and yet the price of ebXML will be
for many companies more expensive.

I just can't see why ebXML has to be made more difficult than achieving
space travel.

Maybe we need Russians working on ebXML also.

Take care

David Lyon

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul R. Levine <plevine@telcordia.com>
To: <ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org>
Cc: ebXML-BP (E-mail) <ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org>; ebxml-ccbp-analysis
(E-mail) <ebxml-ccbp-analysis@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: bpPROC

> This is the official transmittal of the final draft of the ebXML Catalog
> Common Business Processes [bpPROC] reference document from the
> Analysis/Methodology Group of the ebXML Business Process/Core Components
> Joint Delivery Team (BP/CC JDT) for public review prior to the Vienna
> plenary meeting.
> Included in the zip file are a pdf file of bpPROC and an doc file of the
> log of comments and resolutions.
> Klaus Naujok and Karl Best are hereby requested to post bpPROC and the
> disposition log for public viewing.
> Regards,
> Paul Levine
> (See attached file: bpPROC_v0.99.zip)

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