The sentence "enable a global
electronic marketplace where enterprises of any size and in any geographical
location can meet and conduct business with each other through the exchange
of XML based messages" is a strong statement that about using xml
Maybe to my reading I'm picking up a more important message
from the text. Yes, I agree with you there's a strong statement of XML
will be used, but I would have thought an even stronger statement comes
across that ebXML is about getting people around the world to meet and
conduct business with each other. So the
challenge for us all would seem to be about addressing how
business get's done; ie. what's behind/beyond the events and activities that
revolve around an actual XML message flow.
The move of traditional EDI from a document based
focus to a Business Process modeling approach, seems to promise to be
an interesting (and very challenging) activity to
The technical architecture document that
is available is lacking on details as how to make the above statement a
Well an architecture is usually a statement of form and/or
function, while the mechanics can be found in more technical specifications
plus other supporting documents. There's some truth to that w.r.t. ebXML,
and there's a full set of publically available documents for everyone
(including yourself) to review.
I am hoping that this mailing list will enable
me to find out more about the core components so that we can achieve
the above stated goal.
If there is any way that I may be able to
help, I would be glad to offer my services.
Reviewing the ebXML documents out for public comment
would be a great start.
It's good you voice an open opinion, and you can review the
ebXML material today, which is a very positive strength of having
an open ebXML development process; as opposed to some other
closed technical developments.
Time will tell.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 3:02
Subject: RE: What do people really
expect from ebXML? - Core Components -Transactions!
People need world peace, a good solution to world hunger and a cure
to Diabetes, but failing that and much more
EDI or not ...
(Business) People need (better) Business
.... and part of processes are Business Transactions; and part
of transactions are Business Documents - which is where Core Components
start coming into play and probably something more closer to what I gather
you might recognize from some of the traditional EDI files people exchange
Perhaps you can best check your source who has been informing
you about ebXML, and I do beg to differ as to what ebXML is being
'marketed' as !
I can only advise you to review the ebXML documents that are out
for public review for some time now, perhaps starting with the ebXML
ebXML right now is about setting the stage so the world can do
Although we'll all get to reap some specific immediate benefits,
ebXML is not specifically about another way for data transport or yet
another way to made an 'edi file'.
And where we go from here ...... NOW the real hard work begins for
us all in business and industry associations !
Well that's my 2 cents and I'm quoting myself.
People need transactions !
How can ebXML ever work if it doesn't have
I was led to believe that ebXML was all
about defining some standard XML transactions for eb.
What the world expects is some simple XML
- Product Catalogs
- Purchase Orders
- Payment Advices
- Statement of Accounts
The work isn't hard. There are hundreds of
different definitions around and thousands of people who will willingly
do the work.
All that is needed is just to choose one
simple set, document it, and go through a revision process just as with
EDI. That's what I've been told ebXML would be doing.
Presently, the problem isn't lack of XML
definitions, it's having a well balanced set.
Operating under the auspices of the United
Nations, and the way that ebXML is marketed, a lot of people with EDI
experience have been given the impression that ebXML will define some
XML transactions not dissimilar to EDI. That is *a very real
People really are expecting an XML
transaction set from ebXML. Especially those with an EDI
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001
Subject: RE: What do people
really expect from ebXML? - Core components..
never intended to create transactions as a deliverable. In fact,
ebXML does not even have a requirement to develop the specifications
to develop them. Is this a failure of ebXML - in my
opinion yes. Do we need these documents quickly - yes. Is
it best if a single consistent approach to schema design, naming
conventions, use of ancillary W3C specifications is developed by an
international, neutral standards body - yes. Will we get them
quickly - doubtful if after 18 months we still don't have an agreement
on what it is we are developing a process for.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lyon [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:01 PM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? -
really need some XML specifications for the core
> components of ebXML, as
have products that we really want to ship later in the year.
> It appears as
though there are some difficulties in defining the core
> components, although I note there have been some
good efforts in the
> directory area and so
ebXML needs to produce documentation quickly, then I would
> concentrating on the most
important things as far as eb is concerned.
> In my opinion, there are four
documents that need to be
> designed, or
> from existing patterns.
> They are:
(1) The Purchase Order
(2) The Invoice / Receipt / ASN
(3) The Payment Advice
(4) The Statement of Account
> With documentation that describes these
four documents, a lot
> of pressure
> ebXML could be dissapated.
> I've seen that we
have quite a few people here who are
> to make a start on
these components. Also, Edifact/X12 could
quite easily be
> stripped to produce a
relatively simple subset. It doesn't need to do
> everything, only the basic stuff.
> Forgive my optimism, but we
have Customers who really want to
> these messages around. It's
costing me money every day that
> ebXML is
> going, so if called upon, I'd
certainly be willing to help.
> Take care all
> David Lyon
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