Re: WSFL, IBM, and WSDL

[Abid Farooqui <farooqui@tampabay.rr.com>]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that the actual article name is Generation
XML. Here is a link to it. Interesting dialogue there about Web Services.
http://www.xmlmag.com/upload/free/features/xml/2001/06jun01/ab0103/ab0103.as
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com>
To: "'Abid Farooqui'" <farooqui@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: WSFL, IBM, and WSDL


> sorry I don't see it on the link page.
> Are you sure it's there yet, or is it under one of the titles ??
> Thanks
> -Dave
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Abid Farooqui [mailto:farooqui@tampabay.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:39 PM
> > To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > Subject: Fw: WSFL, IBM, and WSDL
> >
> >
> > Oh I also forgot to mention about WFSL ... it kind of also
> > tells you in what
> > order to call different methods of a web service. If you have
> > a shopping
> > cart service with methods like "getCart", "addItem",
> > "checkOut" etc. It will
> > not make sense to try to checkOut before at least calling
> > "getCart" right?
> > These things are kind of missing from WSDL. Although they can
> > be easily
> > added there. They did not have to come up with a new thing for all the
> > features that are in WFSL. There is a very good article
> > talking about some
> > problems within WSDL in the June/July issue of XML magazine
> > (http://www.xmlmag.com).
> > Check it out.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Abid Farooqui" <farooqui@tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "Dave Kuhlman" <dkuhlman@cutter.rexx.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: WSFL, IBM, and WSDL
> >
> >
> > > I have some first or I should say second hand knowledge about this
> > > personally.
> > > As you know WSDL (Web Services Descriptive Language) is not
> > officially the
> > > part of WebServices spec but was a brainChild from
> > Microsoft. Although w/o
> > > something like WSDL webservices kind of don't make any
> > sense but IBM of
> > > course had to come up with something so they have WSFL
> > which is a bit
> > > different than WSDL and is a little more like BizTalk framework's
> > > counterpart of its own (I don't exactly remember on what
> > exactly is the
> > > acronym is in BizTalk right now) but also WFSL also quite
> > eerily looks
> > like
> > > something that was the idea of one of IBM's partner
> > companies right here
> > in
> > > Florida (Hmmmm ...). Anyway IBM does what it wants but I
> > don't think this
> > > has much to do with ebXML.
> > > Oh you asked for a comparison. Well, on a high level WSDL
> > is generic and
> > it
> > > does not focus on business processes. Its objective is to
> > describe any web
> > > service. You can make a weather report a web service. Now
> > my web services
> > > client will have to know how to call your weather report
> > web service. In
> > > WSDL you specify the URN so I know how to reach the web
> > service, you will
> > > specify what methods/functions I can call. For instance you
> > may have 2
> > > methods. One may be DetailedWeatherReport and the other may be
> > > WeatherSummary. You also specify what parameters I need to
> > provide to
> > these
> > > methods. Lets say I want a weather summary of Tampa, Fl. I
> > may write a
> > > simple web sevices client by looking at your WSDL that you
> > have published
> > in
> > > some UDDI server or something that will call your web
> > service and provide
> > it
> > > the necessory parameters. Lets say your WeatherSummary
> > method takes in 2
> > > parameters, a city and a state. Hence I pass it 2 Strings
> > (Tampa, Florida)
> > > like that and it responds back with a weather summary for
> > Tampa Florida.
> > > In contrast WFSL is more focussed on business. It will not
> > just specify
> > URN,
> > > methods publicly available from the service but it will provide for
> > > transactions that may use many parts and many methods and
> > if the whole
> > thing
> > > isn't done, it will rollback everything. there are other
> > feaures too that
> > > are very much like its counterpart in BizTalk.It just makes
> > more sense on
> > > doing some business contracts. Just wait till IBM puts out
> > a toolkit and
> > > play with it, it becomes very clear very quickly.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Abid Farooqui
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Kuhlman" <dkuhlman@cutter.rexx.com>
> > > To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: WSFL, IBM, and WSDL
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I found this article about IBM submitting a proposal for WSFL to
> > > > W3C:
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://iwsun4.infoworld.com/articles/fe/xml/01/06/04/010604feedge.xml
> > > >
> > > > I did not see any mention of ebXML.  Is this part of the
> > ebXML plan
> > > > or is IBM going off on its own proprietary thing here?
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like WSFL is intended to describe business processes and
> > > > sequences of BPs.  Am I right about that?
> > > >
> > > > And, is WSFL related to WSDL?  If so, could someone give a
> > > > comparison of these two.
> > > >
> > > > Whew!  I wish there were a glossary someplace to enable
> > me to learn
> > > > all these acronyms.  It would be nice if we had a
> > glossary of terms
> > > > and acronyms and if each entry in the glossary contained
> > references
> > > > to the ebXML specifications and reports which discussed that item.
> > > >
> > > >   - Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Kuhlman
> > > > dkuhlman@rexx.com
> > > >
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