RE: The initial ebXML business vocabulary - A call for a list ofcandidates

["Cole, Wavell (GXS)" <Wavell.Cole@gxs.ge.com>]

Folks,

The EAN-UCC Global Commerce Initiative (GCI) is providing an excellent base
from which EAN members all around the world can employ XML messaging. The
GCI project is producing a suite of business messages based on the XML
Schema (XSD). The first of the messages is expected to be made commercial in
July this year and I believe will become the 'standard' for at least the
Retail Industry in Australia.

At least one of the major retailers has already commenced in earnest to
implement the purchase order and others will follow. 

Attempting to develop a single business message suitable for every Industry
participant has never worked in the past and I doubt that it ever will.
However, considering the extensibility structure of the XSD schema this is
not a problem. If there is acceptance of a base schema then an exact fit for
a user is always possible.

I have been working with the Retail Industry in Australia on the issue of a
single standard since the late 1980's and it is yet to be realised. It is no
wonder that there is a growth in service industries acting as intermediaries
to ensure trading partners send or receive messages capable of integration
or least interfacing with their back-office systems.

There is still a wide view that users will somehow cope with technology but
in fact, they have no interest in doing so. The expectation is one of
complete technology transparency. "Give me an order, do'nt tell me what is
looks like!". As long as technology is as simple as the act of making a
phone call, to end users that is all they want. 

Wavell Cole

Snr. EC Consultant 
GE ecXpress
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Melbourne Vic. Australia 3000
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-----Original Message-----
From: Abid Farooqui [mailto:farooqui@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2001 3:27
To: David Lyon; Mervyn Colton; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: The initial ebXML business vocabulary - A call for a list
of candidates


Mervyn,
I just wanted to say that David Lyon is completely on target in my opinion.
A horizontal transaction set covering many industries is exactly what I have
been asking this list about and it simply does not exist. I have been given
example scenarios where a PO format for aerospace would be very difficult to
be used as a PO format for some other industries. In my opinion that was not
the case and the problem could be easily solved but I guess I was a minority
in that opinion at least in this list. Specifics like inspections of
aerospace gear that conforms to ASME standards was sighted. Well, I always
thought that ebxml worked under the UN not under the US. In either case I
had suggested that inspections may be a part of any PO (optional) not just
for aerospace industry in the US.
In short what I see happening is that while ebxml and related bodies wait to
theorize the whole deal in complex lingo and jargain, some of us will find
things already out there and use them over ebxml messaging with the CPP etc.
Will that make these products ebxml compliant. Yes, because lack of
something cannot and should not force us ot to make a product that solves a
real need now.
Sincerely,
Abid Farooqui


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lyon" <djlyon@one.net.au>
To: "Mervyn Colton" <Merv@quest.ie>; <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:30 AM
Subject: The initial ebXML business vocabulary - A call for a list of
candidates


> Mervyn,
>
> It's a funny thing about ebXML but I'm told that there are
> actually *no* defined messages yet, in the traditional sense.
>
> Not at this point anyway.
>
> However, practical neccessity will no doubt overide the
> technical theorists and purists. This has to happen for ebXML
> to ever work.
>
> Where ebXML appears to be at the moment is that
> there is a reluctance to make an executive commitment to
> documenting some standard messages. This may be
> due to lack of funds, or maybe a perceived difficulty
> that a horizontal transaction set covering many industries
> will be extremely difficult to do.
>
> No matter, grass-roots support, from participants all
> around the world, especially in developing countries, is
> leading to the invevitable conclusion that a third-party
> business/messaging vocabulary must be picked up for
> ebXML to ever work.
>
> The best way forward, rather than to build a new
> vocabulary from scratch is to pick up and run with an
> existing one. Then, over time, adapt that to suit
> requirements.
>
> I've checked out www.xcbl.org and noticed that
> above everything, they provide a reasonably workable
> XML based transaction set that could be used as
> the basis to build an ebXML transaction set.
>
> If there are any other candidates for an ebXML
> then please mail me.
>
> As ebXML runs under the United Nations banner, it's
> a responsibility for people in all nations accross the
> world to have their say on how they would like ebXML
> to go forward, not only those based in Europe or
> America.
>
> Looking forward
>
> David Lyon
> ebXML Evangelist
> Brisbane Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mervyn Colton <Merv@quest.ie>
> To: Ebxml-Dev (E-mail) <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:18 PM
> Subject: Newby
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm new to these email goups on ebxml. I would like to know if there is
an
> > URL that explains more on the scope of the different email groups, and I
> am
> > specifically interested in where the different "messages" are defined
for
> > the FMCG business place. Product catalogs for example.
> >
> > Any tips on where to start looking would be very much appreciated. Sorry
> if
> > this has been covered before.
> >
> > Mervyn Colton
> > Technical Director
> > merv@quest.ie
> > Quest Computing Ltd
> > www.quest.ie
> >
> >
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