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Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] RE: ebXML deliveries



As Farrukh points out, the ebXML Registry is a service that could be a web
service and is being defined as such.  Everything else in the existing
ebXML specifications can be viewed as in support of web services but none
is a service in its own right.  The ebXML Message Service is no more a web
service than is SOAP.  Both are infrastructure and both can be used by web
services to send and receive messages. The CPP is not a web service; it,
with BPSS, could be used to describe web services as an alternative to
WSDL.  Whether they fit into Web Services (note the capital letters here)
is another matter.  Similarly, the CPA is a record of an IT agreement, not
a web service.  Hopefully, it will some day influence the development of
agreements by Web Services.  Its future negotiation protocol could be a web
service. Core Components defines business document composition, but not a
document composition service, and the various BP specifications describe
how to define collaborative processes.

Regards,
Marty

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Farrukh Najmi <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM> on 10/11/2001 06:04:35 AM

To:   Duane Nickull <duane@xmlglobal.com>
cc:   Miguel Cruz Pic„o <mp@viatecla.pt>, ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org,
      "regrep@lists.oasis-open.org" <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>,
      ian.c.jones@bt.com
Subject:  Re: [ebxml-dev] RE: ebXML deliveries




I feel compelled to assert that "ebXML as a set of web services" should not
be
some sort of global activity.

I believe that exporting ebXML defines services as web services should be
the
purview of the technical committee that defines that ebXML specification
and
understands its past, present ad future.

A case and point is that of the ebXML Registry service (ebRS). ebRS is
defined
by the OASIS ebXML Registry TC and has defined the ebXML Registry service
as a
web service for the OASIS ebXML Registry V2.0 specifications. This work is
has
been approved by the TC and is currently being merged into the specs. The
final
proposal that was approved may be found at:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/regrep/200108/msg00050.html

As far as I know currently there are only two services in ebXML (ebXML
Messaging
Service and ebXML Registry service). As mentioned Registry Service is
already
defined as a web service. The OASIS ebXML Messaging Service TC may well
decide
to provide a web service interface for it in the future.

So in summary, I do not see how/why "the new UN CEFACT electronic business
architecture group" should be "preparing a white paper on ebXML as a set of
web
services". And indeed if they are for some very good reasons for doing so
(that
I fail to see), then have the TCs that define the ebXML services
specifications
been consulted?

--
Regards,
Farrukh

Duane Nickull wrote:

> Miguel:
>
> Unfortunately,  there are no "real" examples of BPD's or related
> transactions or related information models that are available which are
> "ebXML compliant".  Anyone that represents they have this is telling you
> a lie.
>
> As you are probably aware, ebXML has begun its' second phase in both
> UN/CEFACT and OASIS groups.
>
> As far as ebXML as Web Services or "web based",  the new UN CEFACT
> electronic business architecture group is preparing a white paper on
> ebXML as a set of web services.  I personally prepared the first draft
> of our white paper.
>
> There is also several groups working on preparing the real life examples
> you seek.
>
> In short ---  "Please stay tuned"
>
> Duane Nickull
> CTO, XML Global Technologies
> Chair, UN/CEFACT ebTWG Electronic Business Architecture
> Co-Chair/Chief editor, ebXML Technical Architecture PT
>
> Miguel Cruz Pic„o wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I've been looking around ebxml.org and reading all the superb specs but
> > miss to find "real" examples of Business Documents or Transactions for
the
> > most common business processes. Can you point me out to some examples?
> >
> > Sorry for the retry.
> > TIA
> > Miguel
> >
> > Miguel Cruz Pic„o
> > mp@viatecla.pt
> >
> >
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