RE: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

[Adam Sroka <AdamS@rewardsplus.com>]

Title: RE: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

At this stage, whatever MS has to say about ebXML is mostly political maneuvering and may indicate their desire to introduce some competing "standard". IMO, I would pay more attention to who _does_ (plan to) support ebXML. We are an Oracle/J2EE shop. Oracle AS will support ebXML and RosettaNet which may some day be one in the same. I would submit that a standard supported by Sun, Oracle, _and_ IBM is very likely to succeed with big business regardless of MS. On the other hand, whatever MS has to say may influence its acceptance in small to mid (100+) size companies who are less likely to need this sort of technology to begin with.

Regards,
Adam

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Michael_Dockham@cargill.com [mailto:Michael_Dockham@cargill.com]
Sent:   04 January, 2002 10:58
To:     ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject:        RE: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

There is always debate about standards and their 'traction' in the
marketplace. I would say that ebXML is a strong candidate for success
regardless of MS's support. They are not interested in supporting not
sure why but suspect it is because of Sun's close involvement and
besides it derails them from their BizTalk schema efforts.

Consider Covisint's stated use of ebXML - they are a major player, at
least the automobile manufacturers are major players. This, along with
many other major ebXML buy in, should overcome MS's lack of 'support'.

-Michael

December 24, 2001
Covisint Crafts XML Schema
By  Renee Boucher Ferguson

http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D1884%2526a%253D20386,00.asp

Covisint LLC, the auto industry e-marketplace backed by such
heavyweights as DaimlerChrysler, Ford Motor Co. and General Motors
Corp., is making decisive standards moves to improve efficiencies for
its members.

The Southfield, Mich., company will announce during the first week of
January that it has aligned with the Organization for the Advancement of
Structured Information Standards and will adopt that group's ebXML
(Electronic Business XML) messaging standard. In addition, Covisint
plans to announce in the first quarter that it has aligned with the Open
Applications Group Inc. standards body to create an XML schema for the
auto industry.

Sponsored by two standards bodies, OASIS and the United Nations Centre
for Trade Facilitation and Electronic Business, ebXML is a modular suite
of specifications that provides a messaging and enveloping standard for
companies to exchange electronic business messages, communicate data in
common terms, and define and register business processes.

Covisint currently receives XML purchase orders from DaimlerChrysler,
Ford and GM, but they are received in three different flavors. Covisint
also receives electronic data interchange documents from other members
that are also enveloped in a variety of flavors.

What Covisint is attempting to do with ebXML is define a standard
envelope as well as a standard payload, according to Jeffrey Cripps, the
company's director of industry relations.

An XML schema is a data structure for documents that not only defines
the syntax of a document-what a field is called-but also defines
semantics, or what a specific field means. Cripps said the exchange
seeks to create for the auto industry a schema for a global dictionary
that can be used for interoperability among vertical markets-a huge gap
in business-to-business.

While aligning with ebXML is a significant move for the exchange,
Covisint's work with the OAG could prove even more worthwhile by
enabling it to develop proprietary standards for the automotive industry
under the umbrella of an open-standards group, officials said. Cripps is
in talks with the action groups of the North American and European
automotive industries-Automotive Industry Action Group and Odette,
respectively-to see if they will join Covisint and the OAG in developing
the schema for the industry.

Covisint isn't alone in its efforts to create a global dictionary for
interoperability. OASIS is developing its Universal Business Language,
also a global dictionary.

"The OASIS group is presumably vendor-neutral," said Rita Knox, an
analyst at Gartner Inc., in Stamford, Conn. "The idea is to keep a
catalog of what standards are emerging, an idea of the breadth of what's
going on."

Automotive supplier ArvinMeritor Inc.'s CIO, Perry Lipe, said he will
support Covisint's effort for both an XML standard and a schema.
However, Lipe is concerned that one exchange backing an industry schema
might not be viewed as an open standard.

"I think one exchange is not going to excite [industry players]. But
interoperability will," said Lipe, in Troy, Mich.

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     <Department>Food I/T</Department>
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-----Original Message-----
From: infom@bcci.bg [mailto:infom@bcci.bg]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:45 AM
To: infom@bcci.bg; goffinf@hotmail.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

Fraser,
>
> Maybe I read too much :-)
>
Well, you certainly do. I once read an interview with a self-made man
who
claims that the key of success is being stupid (for you don't know
what's
awaiting you) and lazy (in order to make people work for you). Maybe do
not
at all have the proper qualities for business ;-))

In earnest, could you help a fellow reader to get a more systematic
overwiew
of XML based information exchange standards beside ebXML and who
supports
them? Maybe there's a web site somewhere having a classification? I
would
like to know where to read in depth.

Thanks in advance,
Kremena

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