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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] MS support for ebXML

Actually, the really interesting thing is that MS has made several announcements 
that would seem to suggest, at least implicitly, that they will support ebXML in 
their products.

For example, MS has said that they will support RosettaNet in BizTalk. But 
RosettaNet has said that they are going to adopt ebXML for the RNIF.

That would seem to suggest, then, that MS will have to support ebXML in order to 
support RosettaNet in BizTalk.

It would be quite interesting if someone where to ask them about that 



>Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:28:40 -0800
>From: "Lund, Brad" <brad.lund@intel.com>
>Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
>To: "'Fraser Goffin'" <goffinf@hotmail.com>, ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
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>I am not sure where you are getting this from.  I know for a fact that IBM
>has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification
>development teams.  As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have heard
>what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to substantiate
>this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly came
>out of Microsoft.  Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people
>developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel,
>SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc.  ebXML has
>wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the Messaging
>specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA
>specification to follow shortly.
>So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!!  and you
>really should try to use a different approach!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM
>To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
>Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael Rawlins 
>set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what has 
>come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am 
>naturally somewhat concerned.
>Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ?
>My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of course we
>want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable market 
>presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I read 
>that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) ebXML. 
>Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like many 
>others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and their 
>opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be 
>significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of senior 
>management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers /user
>organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons arguments and
>can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various 
>In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ?
>Maybe I read too much :-)
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Peter Kacandes

Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs	phone number: 	408 276 7139, X17139
Java Software Products 			email:	peter.kacandes@sun.com

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