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Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] Distributive Directories ?

The Distributive Directory that I am talking about isn't Passport. That
doesn't distribute your information to anybody when it is doing what it is
supposed to.

What a company would want done is to Distribute *their* details to every
body else in the city/region in a broadcast style mechanism. So that when
somebody needed them, they could just look on their computer to find the
details.  I don't know where the idea to distribute Customer information
came from, companies would be as keen to do that as distribute pin numbers
to their credit cards.

A company could change their own details, and the changes would be known
instantly on every computer connected, that could be hundreds or thousands
of (customers) computers.

This is the kind of computing that Small Business and Medium sized
enterprises need as it would allow everybody in a region to share the
information on what they have to sell, be it a product or service.

At the moment with the web, all servers are static and passive. No
information leaves a web server unless it is specifically requested. That's
a big problem.

A Distributive Directory would be the result of a dynamic servers that talk
actively to exchange information whenever they need to. They would keep the
details of who they need to talk to and keep the connections open all the
time to facilitate the exchange of documents.

Specific Customers would receive specific pricelists. The documents would go
in the UBL format.

It's just a completely different world we are going to have.

But that is the type of world that ebXML has been promising, now people just
want to see it in operation.

We believe that the above will become commodity item much like winzip or

David Lyon
Product Manager

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary Alexander" <zack2@cris.com>
To: "David Lyon" <david.lyon@globaltradedesk.com>; <andrzej@chaeron.com>;
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:20 AM
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] Distributive Directories ?

> David,
> IMHO, there are real problems from a business stand point of defining a
> distributed directory the way that you define it.  1) Companies spend a
> of money acquiring customers.  To place those customers in a common
> is a non starter.  We see real problems with services like Passport that
> allow all participating merchants to share all customers.  I think that
> companies will follow the customers.  They will join the registries that
> service a specific market segment to address that market segment. 2)  I
> always thought that a common registry really needed a qualifying function.
> This function would judge the worthiness of the requestor. Maybe this
> be apart of the negotiation process. One of the potential abuses that
> result is competitors could query the registry for pricing information
> programmatically reduce there pricing.  Now this doesn't really bother me
> that much if all participants are aware of the activity. Perhaps special
> purpose registries could be set up to satisfy these market needs. In
> this would drive market efficiency.  Vendors could reposition and price
> products and services based on the spot price of the products and services
> and inventory and/or service capacity.
> I think that this leads to world that looks more like Farrukh's.  Service
> providers and larger organizations will need distributed registries like
> Farrukh has described to handle transaction volumes and business
> We are seeing even in the UDDI world a need for private registries or
> combination private/public registries.
> zack
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lyon [mailto:david.lyon@globaltradedesk.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:10 AM
> To: andrzej@chaeron.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: [ebxml-dev] Distributive Directories ?
> Andrzej,
> You've raised some really good points.
> Now I don't profess to be an expert in UDDI or WSDL but I've always liked
> the general philosophy behind ebXML. Generally speaking the idea of a
> registry is a good one, it's virtually an extension of the Trading Partner
> information that is kept in most of the old EDI software programs.
> Has anybody ever considered a Distributive Directory ?
> This is now possible and viable with broadband and offers advantages for
> small business over a centralised registry.
> The philosophy behind a Distributive Directory is that a company joins an
> Exchange and when they do their details are broadcast (name, address,
> net-address) to everybody on the exchange.
> The details of the new company are stored in the database of all the
> companies that are connected.
> The result is that within a city or region, everybody can have the contact
> details of everybody else and their pricelist/catalog.
> One could connect an entire city so that everybody could share everybody
> elses information.
> With broadband transmission speeds, a 2gig/hertz processor and a 70 gig
> drive, this seems to be readily achievable. That btw, is the hardware that
> the local Plumber can afford.
> Surely this sort of technology is on the verge of becoming a reality.
> are some among us who have seen it in operation.
> Comments ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrzej Jan Taramina" <andrzej@chaeron.com>
> To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] RE: [EDI-L] Article on ebXML Core Components
> > > > Will the registry/repository concept for ebXML eventually merge with
> its
> > > > counterpart defined for UDDI/Web Services ?
> >
> > There are some fundamental issues that might prevent this as well as the
> political
> > ones.
> >
> > UDDI is a registry only...no repository, where as ebXML has both.  That
> could (and
> > may need to be) rectified by the UDDI spec (imagine 10,000 WSDL
> definitions
> > pointed to by a UDDI rep.....how would you manage the storage of all
> in a large
> > corporation in a doable fashion?  Put them on different web servers all
> over the
> > company?  Not likely......some form of centralized repository will
> eventually be
> > needed to complement UDDI).
> >
> > The big issue is that UDDI has been designed to be a "global" public
> directory
> > (though that does not preclude private implementations), with support
> federation
> > and distribution of nodes (meaning that the distributed system appears
> a single
> > global registry).  Whereas ebXML RegRep has been designed as a
> community-level
> > registry, to target a specific group of parties with a common interest
> supply chain,
> > industry vertical, etc.) and no provision has been made for
> distribution/federation.
> > Those are big chasms to cross in trying to merge the two together.
> Different
> > philosophical roots.
> >
> > Best practice seems to suggest that you use ebXML RegRep for community
> stuff,
> > and use UDDI more globally which in turn has a "pointer" to the specific
> RegRep.
> >
> > ...Andrzej
> >
> > Chaeron Corporation
> > http://www.chaeron.com
> >
> >
> >
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