RE: [ebxml-dev] Distributive Directories ?

["Munter, Joel D" <joel.d.munter@intel.com>]

reply:
Please note: While Farrukh's suggested approach is outlined below, much of
this is proposed for the ebXML Reg/Rep V3 specification efforts.  This work
is still -tbd-.  This is not included within the current V2 ebRS and ebRIM
specifications.
Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:51 AM
To: David Lyon; andrzej@chaeron.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] Distributive Directories ?


One related point on ebXML Registry Federation ideas is that a federation is
a very
loose and voluntary union of registries.

A few points that may help illustrate the concepts follow:

-Any registry could define a new federation and declare itself to be a
leader of
that federation.

-A registry wishing to be a federation leader must implement an additional
FederationLeader interface

-Any number of registries could voluntarily join that federation.

-A Registry may be a member of multiple federations

-To be able to join a federation a registry must support a FedeationMember
interface

-Federations support both a peer-to-peer and hierarchical model

--
Regards,
Farrukh


Farrukh Najmi wrote:

> David,
>
> I wanted to mention that ebXML Registry has for more than a year now a
planned
> work item to support Federated ebXML Registries. This work item is now
slated
> for V3 based on the current Registry TC plans. Unlike a replicated
approach the
> federated registry approach is more like a distributed (partitioned)
database
> where the union of all members of a federation appear as a single logical
> registry to clients performing a federated operation.
>
> We intend to have early prototypes done as the federated registry spec
evolves
> in the Open Source implementation of ebXML Registry at:
>
>     http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.com
>
> I would be interested in a discussion on requirements for this feature
based on
> our wealth of collective experience.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh
>
> David Lyon wrote:
>
> > Andrzej,
> >
> > You've raised some really good points.
> >
> > Now I don't profess to be an expert in UDDI or WSDL but I've always
liked
> > the general philosophy behind ebXML. Generally speaking the idea of a
> > registry is a good one, it's virtually an extension of the Trading
Partner
> > information that is kept in most of the old EDI software programs.
> >
> > Has anybody ever considered a Distributive Directory ?
> >
> > This is now possible and viable with broadband and offers advantages for
> > small business over a centralised registry.
> >
> > The philosophy behind a Distributive Directory is that a company joins
an
> > Exchange and when they do their details are broadcast (name, address,
> > net-address) to everybody on the exchange.
> >
> > The details of the new company are stored in the database of all the
> > companies that are connected.
> >
> > The result is that within a city or region, everybody can have the
contact
> > details of everybody else and their pricelist/catalog.
> >
> > One could connect an entire city so that everybody could share everybody
> > elses information.
> >
> > With broadband transmission speeds, a 2gig/hertz processor and a 70 gig
hard
> > drive, this seems to be readily achievable. That btw, is the hardware
that
> > the local Plumber can afford.
> >
> > Surely this sort of technology is on the verge of becoming a reality.
There
> > are some among us who have seen it in operation.
> >
> > Comments ?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrzej Jan Taramina" <andrzej@chaeron.com>
> > To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] RE: [EDI-L] Article on ebXML Core Components
> >
> > > > > Will the registry/repository concept for ebXML eventually merge
with
> > its
> > > > > counterpart defined for UDDI/Web Services ?
> > >
> > > There are some fundamental issues that might prevent this as well as
the
> > political
> > > ones.
> > >
> > > UDDI is a registry only...no repository, where as ebXML has both.
That
> > could (and
> > > may need to be) rectified by the UDDI spec (imagine 10,000 WSDL
> > definitions
> > > pointed to by a UDDI rep.....how would you manage the storage of all
these
> > in a large
> > > corporation in a doable fashion?  Put them on different web servers
all
> > over the
> > > company?  Not likely......some form of centralized repository will
> > eventually be
> > > needed to complement UDDI).
> > >
> > > The big issue is that UDDI has been designed to be a "global" public
> > directory
> > > (though that does not preclude private implementations), with support
for
> > federation
> > > and distribution of nodes (meaning that the distributed system appears
as
> > a single
> > > global registry).  Whereas ebXML RegRep has been designed as a
> > community-level
> > > registry, to target a specific group of parties with a common interest
(a
> > supply chain,
> > > industry vertical, etc.) and no provision has been made for
> > distribution/federation.
> > > Those are big chasms to cross in trying to merge the two together.
> > Different
> > > philosophical roots.
> > >
> > > Best practice seems to suggest that you use ebXML RegRep for community
> > stuff,
> > > and use UDDI more globally which in turn has a "pointer" to the
specific
> > RegRep.
> > >
> > > ...Andrzej
> > >
> > > Chaeron Corporation
> > > http://www.chaeron.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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