[ebxml-dev] Six blind men

[Todd Boyle <tboyle@rosehill.net>]

Below, three blind men describing the same elephant,
"Why is P2P (and commerce) taking so long"
- can't reach the peers behind NATs,
- artificial shortage of IPs,
- lack of security.

Just for fun, since the elephant story requires six blind men,
our three blind men in ebXML will say,
- lack of semantics (a standard Po :^/
- lack of a business process choreography,
- lack of registries for metadata...

Personally I think the ebXML project omitted two essential
workgoups, 1) a specification of semantics and protocols
for decentralized webs of trust, and 2) internal integration,
for basic synch of commitments and resource exchanges
(stock, payables, and receivables).

BTW I have great respect for Laurie and the others; as well
as ebXML WGs.
blind man 7,
Todd


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:32:23 -0400
To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs@philodox.com>
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
Subject: Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility
  atCodeCon)
:
Sender: <dbs@philodox.com>
:
List-Software: LetterRip Pro 3.0.7 by Fog City Software, Inc.
List-Subscribe: <mailto:dbs-on@philodox.com>
List-Digest: <mailto:dbs-digest@philodox.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:dbs-off@philodox.com>
:


--- begin forwarded text


Status:  U
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:48 +0100
From: Ben Laurie <ben@algroup.co.uk>
To: jamesd@echeque.com
Cc: Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>, cypherpunks@lne.com
Subject: Re: p2p and asymmetric bandwidth (Re: Fear and Futility
   atCodeCon)
Sender: owner-cypherpunks@lne.com

jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
 >
 >     --
 > On 29 Apr 2002 at 14:58, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
 > > [IPv6] nicely solves the problem with NATs, true. However, most
 > > firewalls I know are there for security reasons. Those will
 > > likely be adapted to work for 6to4 as well. The transition
 > > period will likely see some cracks where p2p can work, but I
 > > suspect those will be closed in due course.
 >
 > Customers want P2P.  Businesses will supply it.  The reason they
 > are not supplying it now is that there is an IP shortage.

Absolutely not so - the reason they are not supplying it now is that
letting arbitrary machines inside your firewall advertise services is a
fantastically huge security hole.

Cheers,

Ben.

--
http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html       http://www.thebunker.net/

"There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he
doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff

--- end forwarded text


-- 
-----------------
R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com>
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/>
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'