Re: [ebxml-dev] gorilla hair vs. beach balls

[Stefano POGLIANI <stefano.pogliani@sun.com>]

Jean-Jacques,

    most of the  "things" that ebXML deals with are  there  more or less 
independently on the fact that  Internet is used, imho.
It is a matter of fact when "money" is involved in the exchanges.

One of the nice things that  I like in ebXML, is its ability to deal 
with all the "business related aspects" in a consistent framework.

When I buy some bread from my baker, I buy according to an agreed upon 
sequence of (trans)actions; this sequence, together with the fact that 
we use some currency, that he may or may not accept a credit-card, that 
I cannot exit the shop without paying...or that he cannot pretend I did 
not give him money... are all part of an agreement which is there (even 
if implicit in the use).
When I do business over the internet, I would do the same by means of 
using electronically-enforceable artifacts.

/stefano

Jean-Jacques Dubray wrote:

>This should not be expressed in only in terms of benefit, but also "what
>do you need to carry out business transactions" over the internet. Some
>people may already have passed the decision point about using the
>internet for doing business (benefits), however there is a lot of
>confusion on how. 
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>One could argue that that a good old fax machine and a state of the art
>OCR, which can read the XML content faxed back and forth, is far from
>enough. Your CPP is your fax number. All you want is there: robust
>security, non-repudiation, guaranteed delivery, ... why spend more?
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>There are several also forms of B2B, it would be good to sort benefits
>and requirements based on what is it you want to do. Zoe's Pizza does
>not have the same need as GM, though GM might buy some Pizza's from Zoë.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jean-Jacques 
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>>>From: bhaugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:46 PM
>>>To: Martin W Sachs
>>>Cc: ebtwg-bcp@lists.ebtwg.org; 'ebXML-dev List (E-mail)'
>>>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] gorilla hair vs. beach balls
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>>>From: Martin W Sachs
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>>>>If so, those two pieces should be used to build a separate white
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>>>>rather than being hidden among the TC-specific information in the
>>>>Requirements and Technical Architecture documents. In the process of
>>>>building that white paper, it may become clear whether the content
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>>>>suitable for both business people and developers or whether it is
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>>>still too
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>>>>technical for business people and not technical enough for
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>developers.
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>>>I think we need two separate approaches:
>>>* business benefits for business people
>>>* developer benefits for developer people.
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>>>Both should be short and sweet and memorable.
>>>Written by good communicators.
>>>Spec writers don't seem to be good communicators.
>>>(Although there are exceptions.)
>>>
>>>-Bob Haugen
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Stefano Pogliani
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XML Web Services & Industry Initiatives
SUN Microsystems

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