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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] BPSS and WSCI

> Hi Arkin,
> I have just two questions which might have already been addressed.
> 1. If this is royalty free open standard, why was it carried out
> in such a hush hush fashion unlike any other open standards? What
> is the catch?

There are many models for writing specifications, I am not sure if any one
is better than the other. We have decided that working in a small group
would simply help us complete this spec in a more timely fashion. This is
only version 1.0 of the specification.

> 2. "We are actively working to explore collaboration between the various
> specifications" - What is the process and how does one get involved?

There are many standards that we believe are complementary to WSCI, just off
the top of my head, ebXML, BTP, WSDL, BPML, UDDI, I won't list all of them.
We would be talking to the various working groups with the interest of
making WSCI compatible and complementary to these specifications. No doubt
you'll see more discussions occuring in these working groups, including this
one, on where WSCI fits in the larger scheme of things.


> thanks
> - Nita
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assaf Arkin [mailto:arkin@intalio.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: [ebxml-dev] BPSS and WSCI
> I would like to address several of the issues that were raised
> regarding the
> WSCI specification on this mailing list, as this seems to be a major point
> for discussion.
> BEA, Intalio, Sun and SAP have together elected to pursue the
> development of
> the WSCI specification since we believe it addresses a pressing
> need in the
> Web services space that is not currently addressed by any royalty-free,
> public specification that is part of the Web services stack.
> We are aware that at first glance there appears to be an overlap between
> WSCI and BPSS, but we view the two stacks as complementary and coexisting,
> as they attempt to solve different problems and approach the solution from
> different perspectives.
> We believe that WSCI is more adequate in addressing the specific needs of
> the Web services stack, where one would focus on the WSDL
> operations and the
> choreography of these operations, whereas BPSS addresses the needs of B2B
> collaborations and focuses on B2B transactions and trading agreements
> between business partners.
> We are actively working to explore collaboration between the various
> specifications, and this effort also entails other industry
> groups that are
> taking an active role in addressing enterprise business processes. We
> believe that all these groups are working towards a common standard and
> together could work to solve a larger problem of business processes that
> encompass trading partners, human workflow and application software.
> There is no one standard that can attempt to solve all problems, rather a
> combination of standards that could work together, each addressing a
> specific problem area, and together offering customers an end-to-end
> solution. We do not view the existence of any one standard as
> preventing or
> otherwise hindering any tool vendor from supporting other standards.
> We are aware of concerns regarding specifications that are proprietary and
> vendor specific. Fundamental to our effort, all parties
> participating in the
> development of the WSCI specification has agreed upfront to make the
> specification available on a royalty free basis and allows all vendors to
> implement that specification.
> I would encourage you all to take a close look at the IPR statement that
> appears at the top of the WSCI specification, and also to
> consider the other
> work done by the vendors with relation to open, royalty-free standards.
> regards,
> arkin
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Assaf Arkin                                          arkin@intalio.com
> Intalio Inc.                                           www.intalio.com
> The Business Process Management Company                 (650) 577 4700
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