RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update

[Jouko Salonen <jouko.salonen@republica.fi>]

Mark
You say:
"UBL is developing a library of BIE's in full conformance with the CC specification."
Does this mean that there are no differences anymore between UN/CEFACT CoreComponent/BIE naming rules and UBL naming rules?
If this is so, what actually happened with the CC Feedback that UBL naming rules document was proposing (wd-ublndrsc-ndrdoc-12)
To continue the discussion, I would like to know what type of practical consequences (if any?) will follow if we ignore the conceptual differences between UN/CEFACT Representation Terms and UBL Core Component Types? I guess there are several on-going registry implementation projects where piloting teams are populating registries with BIEs they construct using a bottom-up method, but, in the same time, they try to follow the core component type catalogue and the CEFACT naming conventions. Do these people have to worry about the situation or not? Maybe this is a minor thing, but I would appreciate if someone from the UBL team could comment it.

Jouko Salonen
www.x-fetch.com


-----Original Message-----
From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org]
Sent: 30. lokakuuta 2002 21:23
To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update


Rima Patel wrote:

> And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage 
> Core Components? Or let me put it this way, what is the relationship of UBL and 
> Core Components?,

Sorry for taking so long to answer your question and I hope you are still looking for the answer.  In a nutshell, UBL is developing a library of BIE's in full conformance with the CC specification.  That library of BIE's will be submitted to UN/CEFACT for harmonization, approval, and inclusion in the CEFACT CC/BIE registry (when it is stood up).  UBL is also developing a set of XML specific naming and design rules that optimize expressions of BIE's in XML expressed business transactions.  UBL is currently in discussion with UN/CEFACT on how best to harmonize the efforts of the UBL NDR with those of the UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group.   

Mark Crawford
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LMI W3C, OASIS, and RosettaNet Representative
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Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rima Patel [mailto:rima.patel@sun.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:43 PM
> To: Tim McGrath
> Cc: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet); Farrukh Najmi;
> ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update
> 
> 
> > conforming to the CEFACT Core Component Specifications v1.85.
> 
> And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage 
> Core Components? Or
> let me put it this way, what is the relationship of UBL and 
> Core Components?
> 
> Any response to this question, would be highly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rima.
> 
> Tim McGrath wrote:
> 
> > As Chair of the UBL Library Content subcommittee I guess I 
> can follow up
> > on Farrukh's response.
> >
> > For the past 12 months we have been developing a XML 
> Vocabulary based on
> > the emerging work of the CEFACT (nee ebXML) Core Components 
> Technical
> > Specification.  We assume that this will provide the most 
> appropriate
> > ebXML payloads in terms of interoperability (although of course, any
> > payload can be used within the ebXML infrastructure just as 
> UBL can be
> > used outside the ebXML infrastructure).
> >
> > With respect to where UBL is at today, we have just 
> completed a major
> > review cycle of our 0.65 release and are working to produce 
> version 0.70
> > for review on Dec 2nd. 2002.  This includes a suite of document
> > definitions (XML Schema) for basic procurement functionality (Order,
> > Order Change, Order Response, Despatch Advice, Receipt Advice and
> > Invoice), conforming to the CEFACT Core Component 
> Specifications v1.85.
> >  In addition the UBL Library is a library of re-usable 
> types which can
> > be used to assemble document schemas to suit other contexts of use.
> >
> > This will be the first release that we are encouraging 
> commercial users
> > to use for trial implementations.  We would welcome groups 
> like GXS to
> > participate with us on this.  UBL is an open standard under 
> the auspices
> > of OASIS and as such we rely heavily on practical experience to
> > strengthen the quality of our work.  Please contact me 
> directly or sign
> > up under our web portal 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ for
> > more details.
> >
> > Farrukh Najmi wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kezban,
> > >
> > > UBL specification is not yet complete. For an estimate on when TC
> > > approved specification will be available I will defer to 
> members of
> > > the OASIS UBL TC. Once a TC approved spec is available for UBL I
> > > expect adoption to accelerate.  I am not aware of any trading
> > > community is using UBL for e-commerce yet.
> > >
> > > Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello Farrukh,
> > >>
> > >> Thank you very much for the valuable information, it 
> helped me a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Another question I have is, would you know if any 
> trading community
> > >> is using UBL for e-commerce yet?
> > >> Many thanks,
> > >> Kezban
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:farrukh.najmi@sun.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:37 PM
> > >> To: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet)
> > >> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Kezban,
> > >>
> > >> ebXML is a horizontal standard. While it defines 
> building blocks (Core
> > >> Components) for business documents such as Purchase Orders, it
> > >> deliberately does not define business document schema. 
> It leaves that
> > >> for vertical standards and other technical committees.
> > >>
> > >> UBL [1] is a TC in OASIS that is closely related to 
> ebXML and is working
> > >> on providing such business document schema definitions.
> > >>
> > >> [1]  UBL http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Farrukh
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> > > I am looking for ebXML DTDs for Purchase Order, 
> Invoice and Desadv?
> > >> > > I would appreciate it if you could help me to find 
> out as soon as
> > >> > possible.
> > >> > > Many thanks,
> > >> > Kezban Musaogullari
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> > >> >     >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > regards
> > tim mcgrath
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