RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update

["CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>]

Jouko wrote

> You say:
> "UBL is developing a library of BIE's in full conformance 
> with the CC specification."
> Does this mean that there are no differences anymore between 
> UN/CEFACT CoreComponent/BIE naming rules and UBL naming rules?

UBL is using the UN/CEFACT CoreComponent/BIE naming rules for its BIE's.  UBL has XML syntax specific naming rules for its XML expressions.  UN/CEFACT does not currently have such rules.

> If this is so, what actually happened with the CC Feedback 
> that UBL naming rules document was proposing (wd-ublndrsc-ndrdoc-12)

The UBL submission to CC was reviewed and to the extend accepted by the CCTS, incorporated in version 1.85 which is out for public review.

> To continue the discussion, I would like to know what type of 
> practical consequences (if any?) will follow if we ignore the 
> conceptual differences between UN/CEFACT Representation Terms 
> and UBL Core Component Types? 

Please be more specific, as I don't see any.

>I guess there are several 
> on-going registry implementation projects where piloting 
> teams are populating registries with BIEs they construct 
> using a bottom-up method, but, in the same time, they try to 
> follow the core component type catalogue and the CEFACT 
> naming conventions. Do these people have to worry about the 
> situation or not? 

What folks need to be concerned about is conformance to the CC specification for populating CC's/BIE's.  For their XML expressions of the BIE's, there is currently no formal CEFACT specification, however there will be as a result of the workplan of ATG2.  Hopefully this will be done with UBL, EAN/UCC and others who are volunteering to participate in, and make contributions to, ATG2.


Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org]
> Sent: 30. lokakuuta 2002 21:23
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update
> 
> 
> Rima Patel wrote:
> 
> > And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage 
> > Core Components? Or let me put it this way, what is the 
> relationship of UBL and 
> > Core Components?,
> 
> Sorry for taking so long to answer your question and I hope 
> you are still looking for the answer.  In a nutshell, UBL is 
> developing a library of BIE's in full conformance with the CC 
> specification.  That library of BIE's will be submitted to 
> UN/CEFACT for harmonization, approval, and inclusion in the 
> CEFACT CC/BIE registry (when it is stood up).  UBL is also 
> developing a set of XML specific naming and design rules that 
> optimize expressions of BIE's in XML expressed business 
> transactions.  UBL is currently in discussion with UN/CEFACT 
> on how best to harmonize the efforts of the UBL NDR with 
> those of the UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group.   
> 
> Mark Crawford
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> Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rima Patel [mailto:rima.patel@sun.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:43 PM
> > To: Tim McGrath
> > Cc: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet); Farrukh Najmi;
> > ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs - UBL Update
> > 
> > 
> > > conforming to the CEFACT Core Component Specifications v1.85.
> > 
> > And there comes my biggest question. How does UBL leverage 
> > Core Components? Or
> > let me put it this way, what is the relationship of UBL and 
> > Core Components?
> > 
> > Any response to this question, would be highly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rima.
> > 
> > Tim McGrath wrote:
> > 
> > > As Chair of the UBL Library Content subcommittee I guess I 
> > can follow up
> > > on Farrukh's response.
> > >
> > > For the past 12 months we have been developing a XML 
> > Vocabulary based on
> > > the emerging work of the CEFACT (nee ebXML) Core Components 
> > Technical
> > > Specification.  We assume that this will provide the most 
> > appropriate
> > > ebXML payloads in terms of interoperability (although of 
> course, any
> > > payload can be used within the ebXML infrastructure just as 
> > UBL can be
> > > used outside the ebXML infrastructure).
> > >
> > > With respect to where UBL is at today, we have just 
> > completed a major
> > > review cycle of our 0.65 release and are working to produce 
> > version 0.70
> > > for review on Dec 2nd. 2002.  This includes a suite of document
> > > definitions (XML Schema) for basic procurement 
> functionality (Order,
> > > Order Change, Order Response, Despatch Advice, Receipt Advice and
> > > Invoice), conforming to the CEFACT Core Component 
> > Specifications v1.85.
> > >  In addition the UBL Library is a library of re-usable 
> > types which can
> > > be used to assemble document schemas to suit other 
> contexts of use.
> > >
> > > This will be the first release that we are encouraging 
> > commercial users
> > > to use for trial implementations.  We would welcome groups 
> > like GXS to
> > > participate with us on this.  UBL is an open standard under 
> > the auspices
> > > of OASIS and as such we rely heavily on practical experience to
> > > strengthen the quality of our work.  Please contact me 
> > directly or sign
> > > up under our web portal 
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ for
> > > more details.
> > >
> > > Farrukh Najmi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Kezban,
> > > >
> > > > UBL specification is not yet complete. For an estimate 
> on when TC
> > > > approved specification will be available I will defer to 
> > members of
> > > > the OASIS UBL TC. Once a TC approved spec is available for UBL I
> > > > expect adoption to accelerate.  I am not aware of any trading
> > > > community is using UBL for e-commerce yet.
> > > >
> > > > Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Farrukh,
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you very much for the valuable information, it 
> > helped me a lot.
> > > >>
> > > >> Another question I have is, would you know if any 
> > trading community
> > > >> is using UBL for e-commerce yet?
> > > >> Many thanks,
> > > >> Kezban
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:farrukh.najmi@sun.com]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:37 PM
> > > >> To: Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet)
> > > >> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Kezban,
> > > >>
> > > >> ebXML is a horizontal standard. While it defines 
> > building blocks (Core
> > > >> Components) for business documents such as Purchase Orders, it
> > > >> deliberately does not define business document schema. 
> > It leaves that
> > > >> for vertical standards and other technical committees.
> > > >>
> > > >> UBL [1] is a TC in OASIS that is closely related to 
> > ebXML and is working
> > > >> on providing such business document schema definitions.
> > > >>
> > > >> [1]  UBL http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Farrukh
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Musaogullari, Kezban (GXS, GE Tradanet) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hi all,
> > > >> > > I am looking for ebXML DTDs for Purchase Order, 
> > Invoice and Desadv?
> > > >> > > I would appreciate it if you could help me to find 
> > out as soon as
> > > >> > possible.
> > > >> > > Many thanks,
> > > >> > Kezban Musaogullari
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> > > >> >
> > > >> > Tel      +90 (212) 337 4411 - 4415    > Fax      +90 
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> > > >> > e-mail:  kezban.musaogullari@gxs.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > regards
> > > tim mcgrath
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> > >
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