[Bringing David Webber on this thread for potential synergies with OASIS CAM TC] <Quote1> Our main interest is in a format that allows us to build a user interface for domain experts in charge of managing data dictionaries, </Quote1> <Quote2> there is also a DTD for ISO/IEC 11179 </Quote2> Not sure what you mean by "for ISO/IEC 11179", given what ISO/IEC 11179 is. Perhaps you mean that the data elements in the DTD conform to ISO/IEC 11179. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano Booz | Allen | Hamilton Pim, Unless I've misunderstood the quote above, the "format" of the data and the ability to build a user interface should be orthogonal. Please let me know if I've missed something. Pim van der Eijk wrote: > > Thank you all for your feedback. Our main interest is in a format > that allows us to build a user interface for domain experts in charge > of managing data dictionaries, on which we want to base our runtime > messages. So, this is a format from which to generate XML schemas > (or building blocks for schemas), such as the Excel sheets used by > UBL. We may prefer an XML format and use a customized XML editor > as user interface. > > Generation of XML schema from a different source format allows us to > move to other "syntaxes" (a much-abused term imho) in the future and > should also allow future storage (or just publication) in a registry. > For the mapping to XML, the UBL methodology of generating XML schemas > is very well-designed. > > In addition to these references there is also a DTD for ISO/IEC 11179 > by Terry Allen, dating back from 1999. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org] > > Sent: 29 October 2003 20:40 > > To: Ebxml-Dev > > Subject: RE: XML serialization of CCs / BIEs (was: contact information) > > > > > > Pim, > > > > I am glad that Joe will have the note finished soon. In the meantime, the UBL TC will be finishing its work on XML > > representations of CCTS next week in San Francisco and should be publishing a committee spec draft within two weeks. > > > > > > Mark Crawford > > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead > > W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative > > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee > > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group > > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components > > ______ > > Logistics Management Institute > > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805 > > (703) 917-7177 Fax (703) 917-7481 > > Wireless (703) 655-4810 > > mcrawford@lmi.org > > <http://www.lmi.org/> > > "Opportunity is what you make of it" > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:08 PM > > > To: Pim van der Eijk > > > Cc: Ebxml-Dev; CRAWFORD, Mark; Duane Nickull > > > Subject: Re: XML serialization of CCs / BIEs (was: contact > > > information) > > > > > > > > > <Quote> > > > Are there other similar actvities I should be aware of? > > > </Quote> > > > > > > Pim, > > > > > > Sorry for the late response on this - I believe you're > > > already aware of > > > this but just for the benefit of others, the OASIS/ebXML > > > Registry TC is > > > in the process of creating an RIM (Registry Information Model) binding > > > for representing Core Components in an ebXML Registry. I am in the > > > process of writing the Technical Note, and hope to complete > > > it in early > > > 2004. > > > > > > I would like to emphasize that this effort does not involve an XML > > > serialization - rather, we will rely on other groups (such as > > > UN/CEFACT > > > ATG 2) to create such a serialization. The Technical Note will address > > > how to represent the Core Components metadata (Chapter 7 of the Core > > > Components Technical Specification) in the RIM, using existing RIM > > > classes where possible and extending the RIM with "custom" classes > > > otherwise. The only relation to an XML serialization is that we will > > > provide the capability for the registry to record the format of a Core > > > Component (and its associated entities), e.g. XML, UML model, etc. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Joe Chiusano > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > > > > > Pim van der Eijk wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am interested in this topic. I would like to make sure I > > > understand > > > > what the scope of this activity is. In particular, am I correct to > > > > interpret this as an XML representation that could serve as an > > > > alternative for the Excel sheets as used in UBL CEFACT to > > > encode Core > > > > Components or BIEs, or does it have a different purpose ? > > > > > > > > Would it be just an interchange representation, or would it also > > > > support authoring (data definition)? > > > > > > > > My interest is the following: in a project (on interchange of data > > > > across government agencies) I am involved in we have about 400 BIEs > > > > defined in a 150 page Word document that serves as > > > specification for a > > > > collection of XML schemas for interchange documents. To alleviate > > > > maintenance, our plan is to transform the Word document to an XML > > > > document from which we can generate the XML schema and documentation > > > > in a consistent way in the next couple of weeks, a bit like the UBL > > > > XLS to XSD Perl script but then using XSLT. > > > > > > > > It seems that an XML schema corresponding to the UBL > > > worksheets would > > > > be a fairly simple schema. In our case we would need to > > > extend it in > > > > a number of areas (metadata, documentation elements). We > > > will do this > > > > ourselves, but if there is some starting point, in ATG2 or by other > > > > initiatives (like Duane's) we could use (to facilitate migration to > > > > some future standard format), that would be great. > > > > > > > > Could you give me an update on the current state of this work? > > > > Are there other similar actvities I should be aware of? > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Pim van der Eijk > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Mobile/SMS/MMS: +31 6 22502011 > > > > mailto:lists@sonnenglanz.net > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org] > > > > > Sent: 02 October 2003 06:21 > > > > > To: UN/CEFACT TMG General Discussion List > > > > > Subject: RE: Request for contact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Duane, > > > > > > > > > > Fred is correct. It is ATG2 which at this point is > > > basing its work primarily on the groundbreaking work of UBL in this > > > > > area. Give me a call and we can discuss. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Fred Blommestein, van > > > [mailto:f.van.blommestein@berenschot.com] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:54 AM > > > > > > To: UN/CEFACT TMG General Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: RE: Request for contact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Duane, > > > > > > > > > > > > To my understanding Mark Crawford MCRAWFORD@lmi.org is > > > leading that > > > > > > team. > > > > > > I'm glad you keep so good in touch. For me the fun would have > > > > > > disappeared if you really would have been gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@yellowdragonsoft.com] > > > > > > Sent: woensdag 1 oktober 2003 16:50 > > > > > > To: UN/CEFACT TMG General Discussion List > > > > > > Subject: Request for contact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone supply me with information on the ATG group > > > > > > working on an XML > > > > > > > > > > > > serialization of core components/BIE's? In the quest > > > for a group of > > > > > > logical components, we are working on an XML format ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Duane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to the > > > uncefact-tmg-general listserve. 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