I agree with Mark, Duane and Joe in their recent comments. As I am one that has criticized ebXML Registry specification work efforts in the past within this and other public and private forums, I am thankful that most have taken my criticisms as they were intended, which is constructive. I also applaud Mike Rawlins previous work. He offers interesting and often fresh insights. When we work very closely to the specifications themselves, we have a tendency to believe very firmly in our work and to potentially take comments personally. Strive to keep the work product first and to keep personal feelings and possible inflammatory language out of the discussions. Joel Munter, Intel desk: 480.552.3076 cell: 602.790.0924 -----Original Message----- From: CRAWFORD, Mark [mailto:MCRAWFORD@lmi.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:29 AM To: dnickull@adobe.com; chiusano_joseph@bah.com Cc: mcr@rawlinsecconsulting.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org Subject: Re: ebXML Registry --- can work as distributed registries? Duane, Completely concur. Murray Maloney was a real pain in the keester during ebXML in the requirements and architecture reviews - but once I got past the bruised ego I cameto appreciate his very valuable and unique insights. That is not to say that there are not individuals who attack standards deliverables for other than altruistic reasons, but fortunately we can usually recognize them either by who they work for or their repeated and inconsistent behaviours that are only explained by hidden agendas. Mark Crawford Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components ______ Logistics Management Institute 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805 (703) 917-7177 Fax (703) 917-7481 Wireless (703) 655-4810 mcrawford@lmi.org http://www.lmi.org "Opportunity is what you make of it" -----Original Message----- From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> To: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> CC: CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>; mcr@rawlinsecconsulting.com <mcr@rawlinsecconsulting.com>; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org> Sent: Wed Feb 11 12:19:06 2004 Subject: Re: ebXML Registry --- can work as distributed registries? Joseph: <Caveat>This email is somewhat personal and reflects my own opinions. </Caveat> I have to say that I do agree with your sentiment too. Mike Rawlins had stirred up the bee's nest and looking back in retrospect, it was needed. In 2001, we were all sitting very smugly with our shiny new documents that had consensus. Mike took the time to read through them all and pass off what turned out to be some very constructive criticism. Once we all get past the whole personal ego thing of feeling bad because someone found a mistake or perceived mistake in our work, it was good to analyze ebXML from a more pragmatic standpoint. I have personally learned a lot about myself by participating in standards bodies. 1. Never take anything personally when someone comments on your work in a negative way. Comments from reviewers are part of the process of evolution. Without criticism, nothing broken would get fixed. 2. If a reviewer makes a mistake according to your opinion, examine why they made that mistake. Is it possible that others may make the same mistake after reading your work? If so, try to analyze why and fix it. If something was not clear enough, clear it up. 3. Accept responsibility for how people read between the lines in the wording of a specification. So many times, I found that I was defending the literal wording of a paragraph while it was the perceived intent around it that people found so objectionable. If your wording leaves a certain impression with readers, that is something you as an editor must accept as your responsibility to fix. My CAD $0.02 worth. Duane Nickull -- Senior Standards Strategist Adobe Systems, Inc. http://www.adobe.com The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/>
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