Now, Mike. Why constrain this "pot stirring" to only one listserv....since I bet there are some of here on the ebxml-dev list that are not on the other list(s) where the pot stirring is also taking place. Cheers - have a good weekend <grin> Rachel Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd. 39432 North Avenue Beach Park, IL 60099 Voice: 847-872-8070 email: rachel@rfa-edi.com www.rfa-edi.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mcr@rawlinsecconsulting.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:22 AM To: Chiusano Joseph; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org Subject: Re: Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution? Hi Joe, Stirring the pot again, huh? First off, I disagree with your characterization of what happened as a "schism of sorts". The most common definition of schism is a division into opposing factions. The ebXML project certainly had its share of political faults, but schism over the types of technical issues (WS vs. the ebXML stack) was not one of them. In fact, my perception was that the Work Group was remarkably unified on these points through the conclusion in May 2001. What I saw happening was more a gradual disengagement by certain vendors rather than a descent into factionalism. Calling it a schism is a gross exaggeration. Since there really wasn't a schism, one of your questions is, as Marty said, a no op, since it is based on an erroneous assumption. The other question gets, I think, to the heart of your inquiry - "Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution". My opinion is that yes, definitely, it did. But, probably not much more so than anything else that came before it. Isaac Newton is quoted as downplaying his own contributions, saying something like he stood so tall only because he was sitting on the shoulders of giants. Same thing with WS. It is built on all of the work that went on before. Not just ebXML, but also EDI, RPC, XML, CORBA, DCOM, whatever. What would have happened if these vendors hadn't disengaged? My hunch is that we would see many more production ebXML implementations now. And, of course, no hype about Web Services! (and how about that for a pleasant fantasy to end the week?) Cheers, Mike P.S. May I suggest that if you decide to stir the pot like this in the future, you confine your stirring to only one listserv? At 04:53 PM 3/25/2004 -0500, Chiusano Joseph wrote: >Thanks all for an excellent, and quite lively, thread. > >Joe > >Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > > > I'm in a bit of a "controversial" (tongue-in-cheek) mood today, so I > > thought I'd through this out and see what comes back. My thoughts > > are spurred by a book on that I am currently reading. Please note as > > you read this that I am in a position in which I am vendor neutral. > > > > 3 years ago, when the first phase of ebXML was getting ready to wind > > down, I was a mere observer on various listservs, so I don't have > > the perspective of someone who was in the throws of things. However, > > I've been thinking: Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services > > Evolution? > > > > More specifically: I understand that there was a "schism" of sorts > > at one point (exactly when I am not sure) in which several major > > vendors pulled out of ebXML. These vendors happen to be those that > > are considered to be the driving forces behind Web Services (by this > > I mean the "SOAP/WSDL/UDDI"). Web Services. > > > > I wonder - if this "schism" did not take place (assuming that it > > indeed did), would Web Services have taken off as quickly as they > > did? Did this "schism" give more motivation to these vendors to > > evolve the "base" Web Services standards as quickly as they were > > evolved? What if these vendors had not pulled out of ebXML? What > > would the landscape look like now? > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > > Kind Regards, > > Joe Chiusano > > > > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> > >The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> >The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription >manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EC Consulting www.rawlinsecconsulting.com Using XML with Legacy Business Applications (Addison-Wesley, 2003) www.awprofessional.com/titles/0321154940 The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/>
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