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Re: [Fwd: Re: [xml-dev] Edi complexity, does ebxml really reduce it?]

Quick afterthought: I believe the issue of using ebMS instead of an EDI
VAN enters in here (that is, the advantages of ebMS over a VAN).

Joe

Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> 
> FYI - question about ebXML and EDI on the XML-DEV listserv. Forwarding
> here for opportunities for correction, expression of differing opinion,
> etc.
> 
> Original question is at:
> 
> http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200407/msg00110.html
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Edi complexity, does ebxml really reduce it?
> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:02:28 -0400
> From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton
> To: Michael Kay <michael.h.kay@ntlworld.com>
> CC: bry@itnisk.com, xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> References: <20040713133910.HWGG8666.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@Turtle>
> 
> You're right Mike. I'll reproduce the questions below and answer them
> here:
> 
> >  Whenever one examines one of the ebxml specs or reads an article on
the subject
> >  there is likely to be a reference to how edi had problems with being
accepted
> > because it was too complex, but luckily ebxml, being based on xml,
solves all
> > this
> 
> Not completely, but it can make usage of EDI easier (please read on).
> 
> > A very suspect class of assertion it seems like to me. I'm wondering
if
> > anyone who has familiarity with these technologies can clarify exactly
how and
> > in what ways ebxml reduces the complexity of edi.
> 
> In general, ebXML is "payload agnostic" - so the payload can be XML,
> EDI, binary files, etc. So the degree to which it reduces the complexity
> of EDI depends on how much of an improvement the "ebXML approach" and
> tools might be over those for EDI (a subjective judgment, IMO). There is
> also a great lack (IMO) of ebXML tools/products available, and still a
> good amount of EDI tools/products - so that factors in. There is also
> the factor of product price, which would require a detailed comparison
> that I have not done (and I am not aware of anythat exists).
> 
> > Basically my understanding is that ebxml just wrapped the edi model in
xml, so I
> > have a hard time seeing how it could be simpler.
> >
> > Also am wondering about CPAs in Ebxml, it strikes me that this process
could
> > actually be somewhat onerous, does anyone know of any case studies
etc. on
> > problems with making CPAs between two companies?
> 
> CPAs in general represent the system features that are agreed upon -
> electronically or non - by two trading partners. CPAs include various
> paramters/settings (pick favorite word) that relate to security,
> messaging, business process specification, etc. Whether the process is
> onerous or not comes down (mostly) to the tools that are available, and
> how easily they automate the process.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> 
> Michael Kay wrote:
> >
> > > These excellent questions are probably best asked on the
> > > ebXML-dev list.
> >
> > Only if you want an answer from the kind of person who lives on that
list.
> > If you want answers from the people who have given up on ebxml because
they
> > found it too complex, asking here might be better.
> >
> > Michael Kay
> 
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> 
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Joseph Chiusano
Associate
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