Sorry - meant to say "First I've NEVER heard of such a requirement"...
Steve Capell
Red Wahoo Pty Ltd
+61 410 437854
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capell [mailto:steve.capell@redwahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 July 2004 6:17 PM
To: sggould@oic.org; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Cc: 'OIC Management Committee'
Subject: RE: ebxml challenges...
Stephen,
Can you clarify the sentance:
"If you would like to work on projects or any other Australian
projects you are required to be a member of the Open Interchange
Consortium
http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm";
First I've heard of such a requirement and I am working on several
Australian projects.
Steve Capell
Red Wahoo Pty Ltd
+61 410 437854
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen GOULD [mailto:sggould@oic.org]
Sent: Friday, 16 July 2004 7:59 PM
To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Cc: OIC Management Committee
Subject: Re: ebxml challenges...
David - you are right. Only Telecos, Banks and ISPs make money
out of e-Commerce. IT professionals cannot earn a living out of
e-commerce until we change the rules whereby people are paid for
contributing and participating.
This need for this change has been made in a submission to the
Australian Government re the Aus-USA-Free Trade Agreement
http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs/ZXAAECS1.htm
The full details of the submissions by the OIC XML & E-commerce
Special Interest Group [XZIG] to the Senate Inquiry on the FTA can
be reviewed on
http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs
XZIG is concerned that as the US Government uses ANSI-X12 and
Australia has a treaty obligation to use ISO Standards (EDIFACT)
there is:
1 going to be an enormous invisible ISP translation cost for SMEs
2 time and date conflicts with the many varieties of ISO 8601
3 concerns ebXML has not provided a solution for a simple
company name and address format that can be used by all
applications
This is why in 2002 XZIG members developed an XML Standard
Government Tender template because there are 8 different tender
formats with Australian State Government
http://www.smeems.net/cpr/be/3she/a2eaesp4.htm
This was submitted to ebXML Australia in 2002 but as far as we know it
was not forwarded to the appropriate group for consideration
Government tenders are the first step of the Government e-business
process hence the need for a standard that all Government tenders
use
http://www.oic.org/guest.htm
NEXT STEPS
I would appreciate any feed-back on:
1 is an e-credits system acceptable as part of e-commerce contracts
2 how many US Government States use ANSI-X12
3 any people prepared to work on implementing a standard ebXML
e-tender system as part of the Aus-USA-FTA
If you would like to work on projects or any other Australian
projects you are required to be a member of the Open Interchange
Consortium
http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm
regards
Stephen GOULD
Chair - Management Committee
XML & E-COMMERCE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP
OPEN INTERCHANGE CONSORTIUM
E: sggould@oic.org
M: 0416-009-468
T: {61}(2) 9953-7412
W: http://www.oic.org/3a4a.htm
On 15 Jul 04, at 9:53, davidlyon wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for replying to my earlier questions. It's making much more sense
now.
>
> My humble opinion is that there needs to be some better ways of making
money
> with ebxml than there is today.
>
> For example, with open source linux, I can build a file server based on
linux
> and then supply it to my customers and get paid. Do some modifications
and
get
> paid for those. I make money the whole way along with linux.
>
> With ebxml there is no way to do the same thing; for a developer or for
a
> consultant; whatever. That's the problem.
>
> Yes there are some free poducts, like the sun registry and others, but
they are
> not really in a "saleable" form that I can give customers.
>
> There is also no central ebxml registry yet, for registering companies.
Even if
> it was $10, it would give something to sell which would then help the
world go
> round.
>
> Such a registry if it did exist, would need a code of conduct, so if one
company
> sold an ebxml, all the other companies wouldn't just come along and take
the
> customer. These are real issues for anybody trying to sell ebxml
software.
> Interoperability can be a two edge sword.
>
> There is also a severe lack of programming components.
>
> Why does one have to have a whole ebxml stack? why are there no ebxml
activeX
> components that can be thrown onto a VB or Delphi App?
>
> I understand that ebxml might have started as a grand plan for
everything,
but
> it only needs to suffice as an electronic commerce framework where IT
> professionals accross the world can make some money.
>
> David
>
>
> Quoting "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>:
>
> > Jean-Jacques Dubray wrote:
> >
> > >Did you mean GSA or GXA? How do we know that any given stack is
> > >"complete", what is the criteria to leave something out?
> > >
> > >JJ-
> > >
> > >
> > mm1: Joe, what is the GXA umbrella anyway?
> >
> >
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