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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] Q: minimum requirement for ebxml?

Reference in http://www.ebxmlforum.org/articles/ebFor_20040724.html is
also made to Finvoice,  which is the first implementation of
www.ecbs.org standardised electronic payment initiatior ePI. The very
simple task of Finvoice is to let customers send and receive XML
invoices in SOAP envelopes either in the netbanks or as files separately
(always with strong id) - reuse eventually the global payment network
also for secure invoicing. After all invoices are meant to lead to
payments - so what could be the reason for NOT using a ready paid for
road  - preferably in an easily automatable way with ePI (created by
beneficiary) and easy integration of invoice information with XML.  

The key to real progress is a solution where the huge number of very
small companies and entreprenaurs can create e-invoices - demanded by
receivers (who can save up to100/invoice by automating). Here only the
mass market netbanks and the banks' selling power can make the rest of
it happen and lead out from too expensive EDI solutions. In the Nordic
area there are close to 1 billion b-tb invoices sent a year so even if
EDI has automated a lot - the rest is still huge.

Bo Harald
Nordea Bank

-----Original Message-----
From: AlanKotok@cs.com [mailto:AlanKotok@cs.com] 
Sent: 3. elokuuta 2004 16:29
To: david.lyon@computergrid.net; Anthony Ellis
Cc: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] Q: minimum requirement for ebxml?

David, et al:

The latest issue of ebXML Forum has an article on the use of ebXML with
electronic invoicing that describes a service from Accountis, a British
company. Accountis's service includes plug-ins for secure transfers
using ebMS and integration with leading accounting packages.  See
http://www.ebxmlforum.org/articles/ebFor_20040724.html .

Alan Kotok
Editor, ebXML Forum, http://www.ebxmlforum.org/

david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote:

>I've been doing that. One of the packages that I'm looking at is ebMail

>from Hong Kong. It looks very useable and advanced.
>Maybe I need a plugin, but it seems to use smtp to transfer data. That 
>would be fine as far as I can see for most SMEs.
>What is your opinion on using this package for ebxml?
>Quoting Anthony Ellis <anthony.ellis@redwahoo.com>:
>> What do you mean by ebxmlish?
>> For the app to be considered an ebxml compliant messaging service it 
>> would need to provide all of the 'core' functionality in the ebXML 
>> Messaging Service Spec. Easiest way to test this is to obtain one of 
>> the 'available' messaging service implementations on the internet and

>> see if your app can communicate with them.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: david.lyon@computergrid.net 
>> [mailto:david.lyon@computergrid.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:27 AM
>> To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>> Subject: [ebxml-dev] Q: minimum requirement for ebxml?
>> Q: Say we have an application, and it produces UBL messages and sends

>> them via SMTP. Is that ebxmlish enough to be called ebxml. My reading

>> of the specs seem to suggest that it might be.
>> If not, what other things need to be added?
>> One thing to keep in mind is that the customers are not multi-billion

>> dollar multinationals, but SMEs. They don't have an IT department, 
>> don't know what ebxml even is probably aren't that interested.
>> I'm interested in hearing some different opinions on this. None of 
>> the specifications that are written really have all that much about 
>> doing ebxml within a small or medium sized enterprise. They give the 
>> impression of being are primarily focussed on larger organisations.
>> One possible answer of course is that it is impossible for an sme to 
>> use ebxml because their business processes don't meet the 
>> requirements of ebxml.
>> In the first instance, I'm just interested to know if an SMTP app 
>> with UBL can pass as ebxml.
>> Regards
>> David
>> -------------------------------------------------------

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