Re: [ebxml-dev] SV: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Q: What mime type for UBL/ebxml with smtp ?

[david.lyon@computergrid.net]

Hi Joseph,

You're probably right.

David

Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:

> I was also thinking that if - for example - UBL released new transaction
> specifications beyond those listed below (which I know they will, in the
> future), how will this information be communicated to whoever owns that
> "specification somewhere"? IOW, it seems to me that this needs to be
> somewhat more formal than what you propose just below.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Joe
> 
> david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe just file them in a specification somewhere.
> > 
> > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>:
> > 
> > > Who would maintain the "master list" of these?
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bryan,
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking more of:
> > > >
> > > >     UBL/Order
> > > >     UBL/OrderChange
> > > >     UBL/OrderResponse
> > > >     UBL/OrderCancellation
> > > >     UBL/DespatchAdvice
> > > >     UBL/ReceiptAdvice
> > > >     UBL/Invoice
> > > > or
> > > >     ebXML/Order
> > > >     ebXML/OrderChange
> > > >     ebXML/OrderResponse
> > > >     ebXML/OrderCancellation
> > > >     ebXML/DespatchAdvice
> > > >     ebXML/ReceiptAdvice
> > > >     ebXML/Invoice
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Bryan Rasmussen <brs@itst.dk>:
> > > >
> > > > > so would that be
> > > > > transation/ebxml+xml
> > > > >
> > > > > ugh awful, mime types are underspecified.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > > > > Fra: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > > > > Sendt: 12. august 2004 15:47
> > > > > Til: david.lyon@computergrid.net
> > > > > Cc: stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk;
> ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org;
> > > > > ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> > > > > Emne: [ubl-dev] Re: [ebxml-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Re: [ubl-dev] Q: What
> mime
> > > > > type for UBL/ebxml with smtp ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ok - fair enough for text/xml. I'm just canvassing thoughts, just
> as
> > > you
> > > > > are. I
> > > > > > can see the logic behind your reasoning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I think there's also a case for something more specific like
> > > > > ebxml/Order as
> > > > > > every ebxml/Order would be xml by definition anyway without
> exception.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not at all - the example above is way too high-level for what the
> MIME
> > > > > types are intended for. You're speaking of something more akin to
> > > > > "transaction application types" (I just made up this name on the
> fly),
> > > > > or the like.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Joe Chiusano
> > > > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > > > > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > IE seems to pick up any text/xml document by default on most
> systems.
> > > But
> > > > > I
> > > > > > would suggest that it doesn't have anything in it to be able to do
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > with the document other than change the colors and fonts of the
> > > letters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This isn't really the "correct" handling of a UBL/Invoice and far
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > requirements of any business that I have seen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What needs to happen with a UBL invoice in most places is that it
> needs
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > formatted properly, validated,  and interpreted in context with
> all
> > > the
> > > > > other
> > > > > > UBL/Invoices from the Selling Party. A bit more than what IE or
> any
> > > other
> > > > > > Browser can currently offer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, these are just my personal opinions. Obviously in my test
> > > programs
> > > > > I'll
> > > > > > make sure that I provide support for text/xml and many thanks for
> > > pointing
> > > > > it
> > > > > > out. I still think ebxml/Order or UBL/Invoice scheme would be
> > > better.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyway.. best regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should think there would be a general feeling against
> > > > > > > any mime type other than text/xml
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wonder how XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 might help here with e-mails
> > > > > > > (might support for non-xml text allow pulling in of
> > > documents/fragments
> > > > > > > from emails in a folder - for Java type e-mails,etc - where
> these
> > > are
> > > > > > >  just held as text files in a folder? - not much help perhaps if
> the
> > > > > > > messages are held in a database such as a .dbx file perhaps)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As for OrderResponse I'd say (XPath)
> > > > > > > /Order/AcknowledgementResponseCode
> > > > > > > is what you want (valid values are 'OrderResponse' and
> > > > > > > 'OrderResponseSimple')
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All the best
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stephen Green
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > david.lyon@computergrid.net wrote on 12.08.2004, 05:01:26:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anybody,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know the answer is probably rtfm/stupid but I thought I'd
> just
> > > check
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > experts first as they might know an answer off the top of
> their
> > > heads.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just trying to put together some ubl test data and I want to
> pull
> > > in
> > > > > UBL
> > > > > > > > acknowledgements with a mail utility from a pop mailbox. no
> probs
> > > in
> > > > > > > that..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but is there a mime type for UBL yet?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or is the best way just to stick all the acknowledgment
> documents
> > > in a
> > > > > > > directory
> > > > > > > > with some kind of xpath and go from there?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then, anybody know how to quickly determine the document type
> for
> > > an
> > > > > > > > acknowledgement? say an OrderResponse.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My preference for an answer would be XPath/Perl, but any other
> > > > > language
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > probably do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > only about 113,000 unique xpath elements to deal with; so
> little
> > > time
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > test them all
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > > Associate
> > > > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > >
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz Allen Hamilton
> 




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