RE: EDI & XML for shipping, transport and 3PL

["Bo Harald" <harald@sypbh.pp.fi>]

Below useful links

http://www.ecbs.org/ which is describing the payment initiation ePI
committted to by European  banks and 
http://www.fba.fi/finvoice which is the common standard for banks in
Finland - soon Nordic area for e-invoicing based on ePI, XML and SOAP
(40 000 corporates now signed up in Finland only).

As each and every invoicer will have to move to e-invoicing with a
common format at least in the middle I see a shortcut to very widespread
webservices (and rfid + nearfield communication with mobiles do plug in
nicely. 
This will also mean much less store/forward and batch processing which
fits in rather badly in a networked economy.

We did not really have the ambition to standardise the invoice - the
SOAPenvelope can carry any format. But we did provide a 150 field
standard one. Now it turns out that it is good enough for all ! As over
50 software providers already support it the question is have we created
UBL as a sideproduct ? In any case you do not have to change software
even if change bank..

Without standards - no competition
Without competition - very slow development
Slow development we cannot afford.

Regards
Bo Harald


-----Original Message-----
From: NS1-Dr. K. F. Lee [mailto:kflee@itnc.com] 
Sent: 1. heinäkuuta 2005 8:12
To: 'Bo Harald'; 'Werner, James K'; 'steve capell'; dnickull@adobe.com;
chiusano_joseph@bah.com; Monica.Martin@Sun.COM;
ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: EDI & XML for shipping, transport and 3PL


Dear Sir,

Any one with idea where to find DTD or XML definition for said business?
Please point us a direction.

Rgds,
Kfl. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Bo Harald [mailto:harald@sypbh.pp.fi] 
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 3:06 PM
To: 'Werner, James K'; 'steve capell'; dnickull@adobe.com;
chiusano_joseph@bah.com; Monica.Martin@Sun.COM;
ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] Is ebXML already a valid alternative for EDI ?


The European payment initiation standard ePI has been integrated into
electronic invoices sent through the payment system in Finland and
Sweden and gradually other Nordic countries. Smaller companies and
entrepreneurs do not use any software but key in invoices in the netbank
interface (just as payments) and these are forwarded to both e-receivers
(in SOAP-envelope) with netbank agreements (almost all business and 80%
of private) and printed to non-e.

Larger companies often have invested heavily in edi-formats to send and
to receive. It has turned out to be very easy to reformate into and out
of xml - any number of suppliers offering it. Still it is difficult to
see why edi would not start to loose ground (especially new applications
avoiding it) - reformatting has its cost - and of course the reducing of
complexity in legacy environments will steere towards this - even if
webservices is promising to stretch some of the life of old
applications.

Bo Harald
Head of Payments and e-services
Nordea Bank

-----Original Message-----
From: Werner, James K [mailto:james.k.werner@boeing.com] 
Sent: 8. helmikuuta 2005 20:20
To: steve capell; dnickull@adobe.com; chiusano_joseph@bah.com;
Monica.Martin@Sun.COM; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] Is ebXML already a valid alternative for EDI ?


<lurker off>

". . . a larger community of medium and smaller businesses that cannot
easily support EDI infrastructure costs . . . "

This debate rages on - a brushfire at the moment but a drought of good
information is bound to set it off again. 

It is interesting to me that this debate always comes up in the context
of engaging small and medium sized suppliers in the customer's
e-purchase cycle.  EDI cost is still waved about as the barrier of
choice.  

Seems to me that the real barrier has always been and will always be
integration on the recipient end of the data stream.  Producing an
electronic PO is far easier and less complex than consuming it.   

Is EDI still an expensive technology? 

James K. Werner
The Boeing Company
Supplier Network Systems
Integration Architect

Cowboy Wisdom: "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that
comes from bad judgment."

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