RE: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance

["Matt MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>]

I get messages that were sent to me while I was offline all of the time
using Jabber.

-matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Green [mailto:stephengreenubl@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:39 AM
To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance

How about reliable messaging? Any thoughts about whether
that would work over IM using ebXML?

Steve

On 15/03/07, David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info> wrote:
> Matt,
>
>  Agreed - but obviously creating that simple to install Windows
desktop exe
> - is the trick!
>
>  While some people would be very happy with that "IM" model - remember
this
> is Invoices and PO's and stuff we're sending - that are legally
binding -
> not just chat with your Adobe buddies! ; -)
>
>  So - the better model is PayPal / eBay - where you are going to want
to
> know just how trusted this guy is who can sell you little blue pills
in
> boxes of 1,000 for a cheap price!
>
>  The S2Sclient is obviously designed for the paranoid US government
and its
> legal council and network security mavens!  They want to know exactly
who
> you are, where you are, and what you are doing and why!
>  Afterall in the S2Sclient case - you are negiotating a $M contract
for
> services with them - not just an eBay style interaction.
>
>  So - I feel my 3) use cases are pretty good.  The 3) third one - the
> Google-style service fits nicely with what you have in mind - where
you
> install something locally (an EXE) that then enables you to talk with
the
> mothership - this is the Skype-for-B2B model.
>
>  Notice again though - not everyone will want that - because as with
Google
> - you worry about what THEY are doing with your data!!!  In which case
- you
> select option 2) - Sacha's bootable CD - and keep everything private.
>
> Cheers, DW
>
> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance
> From: "Matt MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>
> Date: Thu, March 15, 2007 11:14 am
> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
> Cc: "Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk>,
> <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
>
>
>
>  Ah, well...to me "designed for integrators" is really a warm and
fuzzy way of
> saying "total b*&^h to install" J
>
>  Stephen made a reasonable point regarding IM, even if Sacha didn't
actually
> connect to his IM with ebXML J
>
>  I have a Jabber client here which allows me to hold encrypted chats
with
> other Adobe employees while at the same time having unencrypted chats
with
> my MSN and AIM buddies.  All that I had to do to register with that
server
> and become available for receiving and sending messages was enter my
> username, password, server name and couple other simple config
variables
> (use SSL?, allow plaintext auth, etc.).  Further, that installer was
> customized so that as a user of the Adobe IM server I only needed to
add my
> username and password to connect.
>
>  The point is that ubiquity wins.  Installing a small executable that
is
> easy to use and support will help the technology go a lot further.
>
> -matt
>
>