RE: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance

["Matt MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>]

Sacha,

I think most users care that their service works more than if OASIS
ratified the transport protocol...and if there is one thing I've learned
during my career as a standards architect, small business owner selling
ebXML components and big company engineering manager/architect is that
at the end of the day, the USER's needs are what I need to care about
above all -- even above my philosophy on the use and proliferation of
standards.

-matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Sacha Schlegel [mailto:sacha@schlegel.li] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:34 AM
To: Matt MacKenzie
Cc: Stephen Green; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance

Matt

The main problem with Skype is their proprietary protocol ... at least
for those who care about open standards and open protocols

Sacha

Am Donnerstag, den 15.03.2007, 08:15 -0700 schrieb Matt MacKenzie:
> Except SIP traversing NAT is a crapshoot...
> 
> Notice how Skype gets through your corp. firewall but Gizmo only does
> sometimes?
> 
> -matt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Green [mailto:stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:09 AM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] ebxml virtual appliance
> 
> Apologies, I must of been thinking of something else.
> 
> Anyone know of uses of ebXML with IM (eg SIP)?
> Sounds promising.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> >>> Sacha Schlegel <sacha@schlegel.li> 15/03/07 14:13:03 >>>
> Hi Steve
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.03.2007, 14:01 +0000 schrieb Stephen Green:
> > 
> > Or speaking very niaively (not fully geekified yet): How is it
> > I can just use GoogleTalk in a browser pointing at their website
> > (even before I knew I had it, for that matter, folk started
> > talking to me using the IM) but for ebXML it needs all sorts of
> > serverside stuff and lots of technical knowhow even to install,
> > let alone use. Mind you I note Sacha once IM'd me using ebXML
> > and I wouldn't have known it was ebXML he used if he hadn't
> > told me. 
> 
> Sorry I cannot follow you here ... I do not remember having IM'd you
via
> some ebXML tool ... I like the idea but must have been something else.
> 
> Sacha
> 
> > Can folk not just make ebXML work like fairly basic IM?
> > Even using IM to make it P2P like GoogleTalk? 
> 
> 
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