Re: Help needed on using ebXML

[David Lyon <djlyon@one.net.au>]

Joel,

I do agree that it sounds suspect that the ability to define products within
ebXML is as you say, suspect.

If I and others are mistaken, and this is possible then that is ok.

However, the comments of newcomers to ebXML are important, and if they can't
find the information easily, then maybe this needs to be addressed.

For most businesses, the first question they ask is "How can I use ebXML to
sell my products ?"

If there isn't any way to do this, then it will take many, many years for
ebXML to ever catch on. Maybe it will have another life and it's diagrams
will find their way into an abstract art gallery.

*Products* like services, are *very* important to business. It's very hard to do any sort of business in fact, if you have nothing to sell, or even worse, no way to let customers know what you have.

David Lyon

----- Original Message -----
From: Munter, Joel D <joel.d.munter@intel.com>
To: 'David Lyon' <djlyon@one.net.au>; <ebxml-discussion@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Help needed on using ebXML Registry


> David
>
> I was simply trying to correct Farrukh's representation of UDDI as a place
> to store "products."  I did not intend to make nor do I believe that I
made
> any statement about ebXML's ability to do this.  I wanted to clarify that
> UDDI is a Registry for Services, not Products.
>
> The way that I read Farrukh's remarks about ebXML is a little different.
It
> looks like Farrukh is stating that the ebXML Registry services (ebRS)
> specification DO NOT describe how to register products and services within
> the ebXML Registry.  I agree with you, this sounds suspect.  If this is
> true, then where is this defined within the volume of ebXML
specifications.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lyon [mailto:djlyon@one.net.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:09 PM
> To: ebxml-discussion@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: Help needed on using ebXML Registry
>
>
> Joel,
>
> So are you saying that there is no way to define products in ebXML ?
>
> This will be a major problem for business users don't you think ?
>
> I mean, how can business use ebXML if it can't cope with doing products ?
>
> Just a thought.....
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munter, Joel D <joel.d.munter@intel.com>
> To: 'Farrukh Najmi' <najmi@east.sun.com>; Rosita Marin <rmarin@sodalia.it>
> Cc: ebxml-discussion <ebxml-discussion@lists.ebxml.org>;
> <ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:04 AM
> Subject: RE: Help needed on using ebXML Registry
>
>
> >
> > I apologize if this addition/correction to Farrukh's reply is off-thread
> but
> > I would like to make a slight correction.  With respect to Farrukh's
> > statement, "...Unlike other registries (e.g. UDDI), the ebXML Registry
> specs
> > do not describe how products and services are represented in the
> > registry...," I state the following.
> >
> > The UDDI specification DO NOT DESCRIBE how PRODUCTS are represented
within
> > the UDDI Registry.
> > The UDDI specifications DO DESCRIBE how SERVICES are represented within
> the
> > UDDI Registry.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:najmi@east.sun.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:59 AM
> > To: Rosita Marin
> > Cc: ebxml-discussion; ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org
> > Subject: Re: Help needed on using ebXML Registry
> >
> >
> > Rosita,
> >
> > In ebXML different specifications address different aspects of the ebXML
> > B2B architectural stack. The registry specs define how arbitrary content
> > is published, discovered and retrieved from the registry using the
> > interface described in Registry Services Spec (RSS version 1.0
> > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/ebRS.pdf ) and Registry Information Model
(RIM
> > version 1.0  http://www.ebxml.org/specs/ebRIM.pdf ).
> >
> > Unlike other registries (e.g. UDDI), the ebXML Registry specs do not
> > describe how products and services are represented in the registry. This
> > description of products, services etc. are defined by other ebXML
> > specifications. For example the Business Process Specification (
> > http://www.ebxml.org/specs/ebBPSS.pdf )
> > defines how to represent business processes (generalization of services)
> > in ebXML. I am not aware of any ebXML spec defining product description.
> > The closest area may be Core Components team. Registry clients are free
to
> > store any type of content which allows for custom product descriptions
> > syntax and custom product catalogs.
> >
> > Please let us know if you have any more questions.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Farrukh
> >
> > Rosita Marin wrote:
> >
> > > I am a newcomer to the ebXML world. In these last two weeks I have
> > > been examining the specification documents to understand if I can
> > > use ebXML in a trial project we are currently developing.
> > >
> > > At the moment I am trying to understand how products and services
> > > are to be described in a ebXML Registry, and I have to say
> > > that I am a bit confused. Basically I find it hard to understand
> > > where I can find the necessary information to do what I need.
> > > For the trial project I have to describe products and services
> > > of a telecom service provider.
> > >
> > > Probably a sort of road map in the documentation, to find
> > > out the info I need, would be very helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot for your help.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >                                               Rosita Marin
> > >
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> > Regards,
> > Farrukh
> >
> >
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