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Subject: [ebxml-mktg-sc] 9/23/2002: Web Services trends and ebXML
Here's some additional detail that helps maximize what is said here and the value that ebXML with domain and process expertise can envelope (or provide an umbrella over Web Services). This comment came from a Web Services counterpart (with no comment on the assumptions made)...... ======================================================================== ========Actually, I think the issue is that WS are coming from the bottom up (infrastructure to domain) and ebXML is coming from the top down (domain to infrastructure). So when WS get up to the domain level, they will have a "wider top" than ebXML - they will support more domains. When ebXML gets down to the infrastructure level, it will have a "narrower bottom" than WS - it will provide less infrastructure. Given that there are tremendous economies of scale in reusing infrastructure, WS will become the dominant model for exchanging documents. WS-* and BPEL4WS are examples of higher and higher levels of infrastructure expanding the reach of the model. But they are not focused on any particular domain. I think the reasonable course for ebXML to follow is to redefine itself as a domain model on top of the WS infrastructure. Take all of the requirements definition and business modeling in ebXML as the input for generating a set of conventions for using the WS infrastructure. Define the CPP WS for interrogating CPPs. Define a mechanical way to generate a BPEL4WS choreography from a CPA. Define a mechanical way to define the required WS-Security and WS-Coordination properties from a CPA. And so on. A good test to see if ebXML is doing this right is to check that there are no ebXML header elements in SOAP messages. ======================================================================== ======== The next step is to be able to capture these thoughts and communicate to benefit for ebXML. -----Original Message----- From: David RR Webber - XMLGlobal [mailto:Gnosis_@compuserve.com] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:09 AM To: ebXML Mkt Steering Subject: [ebxml-mktg-sc] web services trends? http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,537450,00.asp Jet blue use case - but turns out only piece is the credit card authorization! http://www.cw360.com/article&rd=&i=&ard=115939&fv=1 Google - API's into the Google engine - so people can add search, spell-check and more to their applications. Search engine vendors are desperate for any upside - notice they are offering free fish - hoping to hook bigger catch. Once performance goes in a hole - then they can sell dedicated service. However the model here is good - web service offering up nothing but content information - not trying to run a business process. Then http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/19/020919hnbpi.xml where the message is: "Sargent, like Patel and St. John, is rolling out Web services internally based on individual projects aimed at making enterprisewide data available to the process layer. As the standards mature, the companies will each move onto to larger-scale deployments, they said. Testing the waters. Clearly our challenge appears to be: a) Showing how ebXML and web services together will solve the real big problem b) Countering the FUD by running our own survey around ebXML adoption - canvas ebXML participants today - find out how many have done or are planning initial projects. c) Getting better WP materials out there on what I'm calling XIS - XML Integration System - that show clearly how to deploy agile information systems based around the full depth of ebXML architecture, with a web service adjunct to manage lightweight information points, and point services - like credit card checks. As Peter Coffee says - nothing new here - this is B2B EDI with realtime-EDI for event checking, and then XML and some OO sprinkled in!!! What makes it different and compelling is the ebXML infrastructure, providing you with an open system based on business semantics. DW.
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