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Subject: Re: [ebxml-mktg-sc] Revised ebMS WP attached.
David, et al. Good job. I got my comments in on an earlier draft. Just a little reminder that this group is a joint OASIS/CEFACT endeavor, and we would like to have the announcement for the DISA Daily Wire at the same time as XML.Org. Alan Kotok Editor, < E-Business*Standards*Today /> http://www.disa.org/dailywire/ Data Interchange Standards Association akotok@disa.org +1 703-518-4174 At 03:20 PM 5/18/03 -0400, you wrote: >Team, > >We received the following comments, which the attached new copy >addresses. I really, really, think this version is now ready to go out! > >Unless anyone has any last minute tinkering - I'm planning to do >the final copy on Wednesday and ship that out to Carol and Dee so >they can post it to the site and do the notice in XML.org > >Thanks, DW. >=============================================================== > > Document lacks use cases or the appropriate deployment scenarios. It > > is not true that each and every > > application requires direct API access to a messaging subsystem nor > > that the application requires that subsystem to implement all of the > > relevant protocols. > > >>> I enhanced the wording of the Introduction - BTW - I disagree with >this 'take'. We provide lots of detail of deployment scenarios, I think >the reader just has a knee-jerk reaction to Figure 1, and maybe an >older copy of the doc'. ><<< > > > Table 2.1: Why is S/MIME listed for "encryption support on envelope" > > and RSA and PGP (which are not in any way similar) are listed for "... > > on payload"? RSA cyphers and hashes may be used together with either > > S/MIME or PGP (which operate at the same level and are similar) to > > encrypt either payloads or headers (or both). > > >>>> Fixed. This is Table 3.1 - so suspect comments were not against >latest copy of document...which probably also explains 'use case' comment. >Hmmm. These separations are part of the original ebMS design. Basically >these are restrictions more of the SOAP model than anything else. >Conceptually the comments are right - but in practice SOAP limits your >choices here, so I've made it clear this relates to http/SOAP model. ><<< > > > > > Table 2.2 does not make it clear the SOAP column references use of > > this protocol completely alone, instead of (say) when combined with > > WS-Reliability or ebXML Messaging. The high score for robust delivery > > protocol and dial-in modem is perplexing at best. > > >>> Fixed. SOAP is simple only server. I disagree with assessment >of VAN - dedicated lines plus sftp - that's the gold mark here! Dial-in >modem is not as insecure as he seems to think, delivery will only >complete when verified, and re-start recovery works, along with >encryption at modem level. I noted this in the blurb on Dial-in BBS. ><<< > > > > Table 2.3 maligns SOAP without justification. Apache is not the > > single source provider of SOAP solutions, > > as implied on the first line! > > >>> So OK - I picked some categories that don't do SOAP any favours! >Good to get confirmation! Bottom line is that if your 'send' via SOAP >dies, >you have little or no detection / recovery - that's what ebMS is designed >to fix!! Simple truth - everyone starts with the Apache codeset - even if >they then re-write / extend that...and in case of our study audience >most people will use the free version ahead of buying something. And >if you pick that approach - its a DIY project, so my assessments >stand here. If you start looking at tools that enhance SOAP - then you >are into ebMS needs - and its not our job here to say what a >preferred webservice should look like - just to point out that the >"pitch" of "all you need is SOAP and its free", may leave you a >little short.... so ebMS is the solid choice here today - certified, >shipping and proven. ><<<
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