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Subject: [ebxml-mktg] AS2 and ebMS recap (was: Fwd: RE: [EDI-L] <Tech>)

In the reply below to the EDI-L group, I would have liked to include a
clear comparison between the two - AS2 and ebXML MS - to the large
EDI-audience who are starting to learn about AS2, but know little about
ebXML, and explain the benefits of ebXML.  

That's why I asked, a couple of months ago, the following to the

"There seem to be a lot of activity in the EDI community moving to EDI
message transfer over the internet using EDIINT AS2 in the last months.
(Walmart has for instance required ALL their suppliers to move to AS2,
forcing most of them to invest in new software and solutions.) SMEs
investing today in software to support EDIINT AS2 are not very likely to
switch to ebMS in the next decade. I see no signs of similar activity
for ebMS.
Does anybody know of information which compares the pros and cons of
ebMS and EDIINT AS2?"

The following headings could be interesting to include in such a
 - Technical Features
 - Adoption Level
 - Interop Certified Software packages
 - Industry Suport (Software vendors and Software buyers)

If anybody has such information available or has the possibility to
write up a brief bullet-point comparison, this could be one important
step to spread the awareness about ebXML and ebMS to the large number of
companies now shifting from their VANs to internet based transport


Anders TholÚn
Ferrologic AB
Steel 24-7: +32 2 334 2407 (Brussels)
Mobile:     +46 70 787 6787
e-mail:     anders.tholen@ferrologic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jbc@lawyer.com] 
Sent: den 4 februari 2003 23:11
To: ebxml-mktg@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: [ebxml-mktg] Fwd: RE: [EDI-L] <Tech>


To: <EDI-L@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "'Cox, Ken'" <ken.cox@brachs.com>
From: Anders TholÚn <anders_tholen@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:10:30 +0100
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] <Tech>

We are using ebXML MS, a newer transport protocol covering the features
of AS2, in a number of implementations with different trading partners.

We are normally using "self-signed" certificates in the *test*
environments, and in the *production* environments different partners
use different Certification Authorities, mainly Thawte and Verisign. 

To read more about the ebXML interoperability tests:

Off-list I'll send you a document we've produced about how to aquire and
use certificates, which might be useful.
With best regards,
Anders TholÚn
Ferrologic AB
Steel 24-7: +32 2 334 2407 (Brussels)
Mobile:     +46 70 787 6787
e-mail:     anders.tholen@ferrologic.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Cox, Ken [mailto:ken.cox@brachs.com] 
Sent: den 4 februari 2003 18:57
To: EDI-L@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EDI-L] <Tech>

A question for those of you who have already implemented EDIINT AS2
regarding the exchange of public keys and certification of these keys.

The following EDIINT Working Group Draft says "This applicability
statement does NOT require the use of a certification authority. The use
of a certification authority is therefore OPTIONAL. Certificates may be

Are you using a certificate authority?  If so are you using Verisign or
another? If you are self-signed, have their been any issues with this?

Please add any other relevant comments for any unasked question you have
an answer for.

Ken Cox
Brach's Confections, Inc.

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~ James Bryce Clark
~ 1 310 293 6739   jbc@lawyer.com
~ Chair, US ABA Business Law E-Commerce Subcommittee  
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