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Subject: RE: Future steps

Good luck to Dick and Sid, for their invaluable contributions.
I hope you setup an independent body.  

The natural boundaries of an independent oversight body 
might extend beyond testing.  Documentation and reconcilation
of issues between different parts of the ebXML "protocol stack"
for example, and, filling in the blanks for any missing components
that get "stuck in committee" in order to keep the forward 

Apologies for the monday morning quarterbacking, carry on mates,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Brooks [mailto:dick@8760.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:45 AM
> To: Sid Askary; ebxml-poc@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: Future steps
> Sid,
> Sorry I couldn't make the meeting in Vienna, but I would also 
> like to echo 
> the sentiments of some POC team members. Interoperability testing is 
> not only important, I would assert that it's necessary for the long term 
> success of ebXML. 
> The testing that has been performed by the POC team has provided very 
> valuable feedback. I don't know what % of ebXML's functionality was 
> actually exercised by the POC activities, but I suspect there
> are areas of ebXML that were not tested.  These
> "uncharted waters" need to undergo the "POC litmus test" to prove, 
> 1) the specs are implementable and 2) they "hit the mark" in delivering
> the functionality needed to meet the requirements they were 
> designed to satisfy. There may also be variations of the tests that
> POC did perform that weren't exercised that could uncover 
> something interesting. 
> I also believe it would benefit the entire ebXML community, but 
> especially 
> users and vendors, to have some type of "certification process"
> that would virtually guarantee interoperable products. I know that 
> Rik Drummond has a lot of experience organizing/conducting certification
> tests/processes, you may want to ask his opinion on this. 
> Kudos to all the POC participants, you turned the ebXML dream 
> into reality.
> I enjoyed working with all of you over the past 18 months, hopefully
> our paths will cross again, after all, this is only the beginning!
> Regards,
> Dick Brooks (TR&P team)
> http://www.8760.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sid Askary [mailto:sid_askary@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:49 AM
> To: ebxml-poc@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Future steps
> Last night in the steering committee meeting, the
> executives announced that the POC would not exist as a
> functioning body past Vienna.  While we were working
> late on the Demo, some of you approached me and
> expressed your concern regarding this decision.  
> The concerns were that if the vendor community is to
> deploy the infrastructure specifications there needs
> to be a mechanism for verifying interoperability and
> clarifying the specifications.  Furthermore, those
> vendors who have experience with other standards
> implementations believe that it is only through
> interoperability and conformance testing with one
> another that they have been able to provide a solution
> to their customers, citing Rosettanet as an example. 
> Finally, as a result of such continued activities,
> feedback, request for clarification or improvements to
> the specifications is forwarded to the appropriate
> working group or organization. 
> Therefore, we will have a brief meeting at around 4:00
> pm to discuss this matter.  
> Sid Askary
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